01-23-2015, 09:53 PM
Location: Vermont
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Hello! After several years of hmmm'ing and haw'ing, and scrimping and saving, my daughter and I are set to relocate; we plan to head West this summer! I lived north of Seattle (Woodinville) for about a year while in my early 20's, and thought we should move to WA. But my daughter has two aunts & cousins (on my ex's side) in Portland, so OR has to be in the realm of possibilities.
My daughter is 15, very intelligent, bright, quirky kid, incredibly well behaved (Ya, I know I'm the luckiest mom in the world
), and has been home schooled for the last year. I am college-educated, progressive, a writer & advocate for kids everywhere (former therapeutic foster parent), and believe that if I want a healthy community, I need to participate in it. I also now have a consortium of disabling conditions that landed me in the "well below the poverty line" in the last few years.
My daughter wants to try attending a public school again, preferably one with a little more diversity, much less racism, and some other kind of unique factors (focus on Green economy, strong arts dept, better outcomes leading to higher education?--or cuter boys, she says
).
I want to delve deeper into writing, while also finding some kind of practical part time employment, preferably that pays more than minimum wage and that won't trigger certain physical problems (currently obtaining CDL so that, at the very least, I can drive a dang school bus, town bus or delivery truck
).
I enjoy being near a culturally vibrant community, or liberal-arts college town but with as much privacy as possible, and preferably with a small patch of dirt for growing my own organic veggies.
Larger cities are too suffocating, but strip-mall suburbs are the worst soul suckers in my book. Economically impoverished small towns with huge Walmarts are OUT.
But yes, I do need a town that has the lowest possible rents. While I've managed to avoid having to live in low-income housing complexes, I'd be willing to do so for a year. The few landlords I've had since I let go of my house (divorce) 15 yrs ago, were willing to accept my voucher simply because I am a responsible tenant who can fix my own damn leaky faucet or running toilet, and repair a wall with holes punched in it (remember, I said I was a therapeutic foster parent? - I took in the teens with more severe psych challenges). Basically, I'm not a slouch just sucking off a welfare system, nor is my daughter, but for the time being my financial situation seems to say otherwise. While this is reality for a while longer, I don't want to be defined--or trapped--by it. We don't need much, but what we do need is a place where hope is still alive. (forgive me if this seems offensive to anyone; where we live the low-income housing projects are over-run with drugs, violence, screaming parents, and largely segregated--white vs black. I think such complexes need to be more racially diverse, and allow for a greater mix of income levels as well).
Being near the forest, hearing owls hoot and seeing lots of stars at night would make me very, very...very...happy.
My daughter has dreams of living: A) near possible shark encounters, in support of a future as a Marine Biology photographer, or B) possible Big Foot encounters in support of, well, a Big Foot encounter.
In or near mountains is essential. Being able to smell salt water, or get to it in less than a few hrs? a big bonus! Flat land, however, makes me nervous (it's the threat of Suburbification.... *shudder*)
So? What towns in SW Washington, or NW Oregon will meet our needs? Thanks, in advance, for your responses.
01-24-2015, 09:37 AM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Hint: stay in WA and close to a Jr College so your daughter can go to college for free, instead of wasting time in HS chasing loser boys. (or consider HI) Running Start is a program in each state.
Running Start - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If marine biology and GREEN is important, you may have to seek OR (small town in Newport region) or HI.
Oregon has an income tax (Which isn't terrible if you are poor) As a culture it is much greener than WA, and much more liberal vote & populous. But OR has a much worse economy / state finances / public EDU.
My SIL lives in HI for ZERO housing cost, she has 'house sat' for 35 yrs.
Consider biting the bullet on housing costs (to an extent) while you get your daughter educated.
Get a caretaker job at a wealthy estate on San Juan Island (and work PT at Marine Biology center)
There are some excellent Jr Colleges in WA and OR. But low cost towns are not as close to colleges as they are in VT.
01-24-2015, 12:13 PM
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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I also now have a consortium of disabling conditions that landed me in the "well below the poverty line" in the last few years. [...]
But yes, I do need a town that has the lowest possible rents. While I've managed to avoid having to live in low-income housing complexes, I'd be willing to do so for a year. The few landlords I've had since I let go of my house (divorce) 15 yrs ago, were willing to accept my voucher simply because I am a responsible tenant [...]
If you currently have a Section 8 voucher, do check with your social worker to find about transferring your voucher. Don't wait, get the paperwork started now - there are long waiting lists here to get a voucher. With a voucher, you can choose to live where you want to live, first, close to community colleges with programs that your daughter and you might want to avail yourselves of, and then look for suitable housing in that area.
Don't fall for the "lift yourself by your bootstraps" guilt-trip, if you don't have any bootstraps. Do the right thing for your daughter - moving to a depressed meth-ridden (and depressing rain-soaked) town without jobs or opportunity, just for the cheap rent, isn't doing her any favors.
To research community college offerings in the state of Washington, see:
Washington State Community and Technical College Search - State Overview
To find housing anywhere in the state that takes Section-8 vouchers, see:
Apartments for Rent - Nationwide Apartment Finder | Apartments.com
You can also filter Craigslist for housing that accepts Section-8 vouchers:
seattle apts/housing for rent ""section 8"" - craigslist
01-24-2015, 01:50 PM
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Wow, if I were you, I would think long & hard about uprooting a 15 y.o. You mentioned living in Woodinville, that area is expensive now, & the little logging, fishing & mill towns that seem so idyllic are very cliqueish & not welcoming , especially public schools, where the "locals" have known each other since birth & don't like newbies. Rural western Washington is a very closed culture. Yes, the nature aspect is wonderful, but you have to come out of the woods sometimes, & hopefully find people that want to talk to you. I don't know about Eastern Washington. Maybe wait until she has graduated & is a little mature & able to handle shunning. Or, if you are close to you relatives in Oregon & they are a support system, go there.
01-24-2015, 02:18 PM
Location: Alamogordo, NM
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I was just thinking that that is one reason why it's nice to have a solid church to be involved in...it gives you immediate and true friends wherever you move. That is so important to have.
01-24-2015, 03:20 PM
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Somehow, I got the wrong link previously. It should have been:
To find housing anywhere in the state that takes Section-8 vouchers, see:
aptfinder | Low Income Housing at AptFinder.org
01-24-2015, 09:48 PM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Where is the best SW Washington, or NW Oregon town, w lowest possible rent?
FREE is pretty low rent. Look around.
As mentioned... being a groundskeeper at a wealthy estate is not too bad of a life. I lived in the Gulf Islands of BC and we had a lot of friends who were doing this (yes... even as families). My hiring boss first worked on a Colorado Guest Ranch as caretaker, then when he 'retired' he (and wife) got a gig on a private WA Island that lasted over 20 yrs. He saw the owners about 1 week every other year. He got paid ~$2000/ month and had free home + boat provided. Plenty of hunting and fishing, and he kept a huge garden on the property.
Many options at your fingertips.
01-24-2015, 11:17 PM
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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...you may want to provide her with some of your contacts that have hooked you up with these opportunities, ...
SURE,,, ez...(without mentioning any 'xxurch- affiliates...of which there are plenty beyond these...(Even in <5% xxurched PNW)
here are ~8 million opportunities I have used for 25+ yrs. (7,729,734 listed here alone, and doesn't include any of my favorites)
Hospitality exchange - Wikitravel
works for me and millions of others
I'm sure YMMV (A LOT!)
BTW: sent a Single mom and 2 teenage daughters on a RT-USA trip using a couple of my directories. They were well cared for and SAFE and had a blast, never threatened, scared, or questioned of their 'faith'.
Has happened this way for the AGES! I am so grateful to have been open enough in my relationships to have enjoyed it and shared it with others worldwide!
I trust the OP is able to open up to such opportunities! Makes Life SO enjoyable and engaging. and no need for negative expression about your place in life! All of life has +/-, so enjoy!
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01-25-2015, 07:31 PM
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People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)