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View Poll Results: Rate the Climate: St George, Utah
A 2 7.69%
B 4 15.38%
C 9 34.62%
D 8 30.77%
E/F 3 11.54%
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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I've always wondered why you never hear of people dying from heat in places like Miami or Houston or Hong Kong in the summer.... whereas in Southern Canada and the NE US.. you hear about it much more often.
Here on the weather network in Canada, I often see heat alerts in the summer for places like Southern Ontario and Southern Quebec and I can't help but laugh. When I lived in Southern China for a year, temperatures topped 90F with high humidity every single day in summer and nobody was freaking out and opening up "cooling centres"... seems somewhat ridiculous to me.
People die from the heat every year in Florida. People get sick from the heat every year in Florida. An alarming number of unattended children and pets are roasted to death in cars every year in Florida. And they open up cooling centers every year in Florida.
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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People die from the heat every year in Florida. People get sick from the heat every year in Florida. An alarming number of unattended children and pets are roasted to death in cars every year in Florida. And they open up cooling centers every year in Florida.
Interesting.. we never hear about it here. I wonder why?
Also as I said, in Southern China, I never heard of a cooling center. People just dealt with the heat and went about their day to day life.
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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Just because they were abnormal heatwaves, doesn't make my point any less relevant. It actually supports it. More people in the US die of extreme heat rather than extreme cold. The cold deaths you mentioned are less direct than the heat deaths I'm talking about. If I get impailed by a tree from crashing my car on an icy road, that would be the cause of death. Not the cold. I'm certainly not discounting the indirect causes of death due to cold, but I would say there's less of a correlation.
But I did compare deaths caused directly by cold versus heat (as per your link) and it was an average of 689 versus roughly 400 (at least in 2002). Cold is more of a silent killer in that the big heat waves are widely reported and tend to produce a higher number of deaths in a short period of time. But we're still talking about a very small percentage of mortality caused directly by either. Indirect deaths are a whole other can of worms. But considering that at least 50 million Americans have hypertension I wouldn't discount this indirect cold weather affect on mortality (even though it is little known): Cold Weather Hikes Blood Pressure, UF Scientist Warns
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Lincoln County Road or Armageddon
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deneb78;


Probably the same reason why we don't hear about tragic events in BC. I wish I could say kids dying in closed up cars is an extremely rare event in Florida, but it's not. It take less than 30 min. for a car to heat up to 120 F on an average Florida day. I can't imagine the anguish those poor babies went through.
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Old 12-17-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Interesting tangent this thread took.

As for comfort levels, diurnal range can make a huge difference in comfort levels in hot weather. I would far, far rather live in St. George than, say, Chennai where the hot weather comes with soaring humidity and very high lows.

Chennai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Despite the fact that, in absolute terms, Chennai has lower highs in summer, I'd find St. George's getting down to room temperature ( 20-21C ) on its hottest months with dry weather much easier to take.
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Old 12-17-2011, 03:33 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But I did compare deaths caused directly by cold versus heat (as per your link) and it was an average of 689 versus roughly 400 (at least in 2002). Cold is more of a silent killer in that the big heat waves are widely reported and tend to produce a higher number of deaths in a short period of time. But we're still talking about a very small percentage of mortality caused directly by either. Indirect deaths are a whole other can of worms. But considering that at least 50 million Americans have hypertension I wouldn't discount this indirect cold weather affect on mortality (even though it is little known): Cold Weather Hikes Blood Pressure, UF Scientist Warns
FWIW, NOAA says that between 1998-2007, heat related deaths averaged 170 per year and cold were 18. Much lower than what either of our previous sources suggest. My guess is that our sources may be including indirect causes, but I'm not sure. Did you see the other study I posted?
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Fort Collins, USA
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FWIW, NOAA says that between 1998-2007, heat related deaths averaged 170 per year and cold were 18. Much lower than what either of our previous sources suggest. My guess is that our sources may be including indirect causes, but I'm not sure. Did you see the other study I posted?
I did. I can certainly accept the NOAA quotes for 700 and 1250 direct heat-related deaths in a respective single heatwaves. The 50,000 heat-related deaths in Europe sounds suspicious to me and if true is more an indictment of the respective governments there then anything else. But I've found myself drawn into another heat vs. cold argument and I personally find these arguments pointless - people like what they like and one person's climatic paradise is another person's climatic nightmare. So I'll leave at this - if climate were the only criteria, I would move to St. George in a minute (it also sits in a very beautiful desert/canyon environment). But I accept that it's not for everybody.
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Portland, TX. (next to Corpus Christi)
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I gave St. George a "C", as the summers are a bit on the hot side, and the winters are a bit on the cool side. I used to live in the west, and can relate to the dry heat vs wet heat. Personally, I like the more humid climates better, as I have very dry skin.


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