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Indoor comfort is one of the greatest fruits of the modern world and should be used to full effect. And what about those of us who don't like the conditions or who don't have the build to acclimate? You with your attitude that heat-haters are freaks exemplify what is wrong with our society today. I ask you this question: why should some sweat for the comfort of the hot weather people? It is inescapable that being too cold and having to put on a sweater is an easier situation than the heat hater who has no possible escape from the heat EXCEPT A/C, which you and the other people who own these businesses deny these people. Shame on you all.
Just pushing for moderation. If you took your attitude and flipped it then it would be something like this: I like to heat my house excessively and because that prevents my body from adjusting to winter cold all of the public places I go to should have their heat similarly high so I'm not too cold.
We shouldn't cater to either minority in our public spaces because it's wasteful and penalizes the more responsible segments of our population.
I haven't acclimated to the weather here so far, though I love it so. The weather's pretty changeable, so that might be a factor, but I think what type of clothes you wear matters quite a bit. For example, since fall began, I've worn gloves when temperatures are in the 30s, and I still do (I've worn layers of gloves at cooler temps), so unless I compensate by wearing an extra layer somewhere, I find it pretty cold when I'm not wearing gloves at 0C. I see some people wearing the same clothes regardless of the temperature, so they will probably find the first 65 degree day pretty warm until they get used to it. Since I'm all layered up now, it won't matter to me because I would shed them on that day.
(That might be too simple, so feel free to rebut it, btw.)
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The best solution is to err on the side closer to outdoor temperature, so it's less of a shock to go back and forth between inside and outside. I dislike overheated places in the winter, it gets too dry and you start to get sweaty quickly if you don't take off layers. Dress with nature not against it; sweaters in the winter, shorts and sandals in the summer. I don't mean your preferences aren't real, but I think for a lot of people cold intolerance is from spending most of the day going from air conditioned house to air conditioned car, and worse wearing suit jackets.
I agree with this. I will be getting an A/C for this summer in case it ends up like last summer here (hottest recorded), but if temperatures are around average (mean temp of around 72F in July), then my goal will be to not use it very often. If buildings here are freezing like they are in the South, though, it might be hard for me to keep that goal even in an average summer.
I smell another heat vs cold bickering coming on, and the usual suspects behind it.
I do as well. I have said all that I wish to say, and do not wish to continue this sore discussion. Let's talk about acclimation as this discussion has veered to that recently.
In response to Nivalis, I do dress for the weather, and I think a lot of clothing, especially the heavier clothing in Summer, is impractical and we should dress more for the weather when we're outside (of course inside conditions are different; it depends on what you're doing). I for one wear shorts and sandals all Summer (although even with that I get too hot in even moderate Summer temperatures (70-85 F)), and in virtually all weather down to 25 F (15 F with acclimation). The only exceptions being a raincoat if it's raining and below about 70 F, boots if I'm going through snow or mud, and a snowsuit if I'm spending any time working or playing in snow. Otherwise with temps below 15 F the layers start coming on . I also sometimes wear a vest if it's under 40 F, but it's not a regular occurrence. I almost always wear sunglasses or ski goggles when outside, and thus I often look like I'm apt to go to the beach all day when it's around freezing . I primarily dress for comfort, with my own style in consideration, and thus I often get inquiries of "aren't you cold?", which I proudly shrug off.
What's the typical AC temperature in your part of the world in the summer?
It's lower than Trimac20 thinks.
Air-conditioning is usually set lower than I'd like here, but it isn't extremely low.
It feels just like where we have our A/C set in Canada, around Toronto.
23 C/74 F is quite typical in Western Australia,
TransWA busses show that's where they leave their thermostat
(I usually need a sweater when I'm summer acclimated on their busses)
while grocery stores are probably 20-21 C/ 68-70 F.
I think I remember Sydney in February being about the same.
*And it's NOT accompanied by POWERFUL fans making strong breezes everywhere, as is common in the US South.
I would prefer A/C set no lower than 26 C/ 78 F,
so it feels "warmish-but-dry" but very few people enjoy that.
During our recent heatwave in Perth,
I find anytime my house drops to 30.5 C/87 F it feels "quite cool."
I have not used any air-conditioning yet since living here 3 weeks.
Sometimes my house is 34.5 C/95 F, but I just grab a cold drink.
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During our recent heatwave in Perth,
I find anytime my house drops to 30.5 C/87 F it feels "quite cool."
I have not used any air-conditioning yet since living here 3 weeks.
Sometimes my house is 34.5 C/95 F, but I just grab a cold drink.
We've had the AC going for about three days straight now. 30.5C cool? Haha. Without air-con or fan it's just oppressive being in here. Especially upstairs it often feels just as hot indoors as outdoors. Especially bad in the evening when the heat from the day is still lingering.
During our recent heatwave in Perth,
I find anytime my house drops to 30.5 C/87 F it feels "quite cool."
I have not used any air-conditioning yet since living here 3 weeks.
Sometimes my house is 34.5 C/95 F, but I just grab a cold drink.
I've been in houses where it's been at 30.5C and I started to feel faint within minutes; naturally my cooling requirements are much higher than yours (conversely, 55F is just fine for me with a bathrobe ). I've always been of the view that indoor temperatures should be optimized for the inhabitants' comfort, and it's great that you're comfortable in such temperatures (with the added benefit of saving money on A/C relative to most others).
I've been in houses where it's been at 30.5C and I started to feel faint within minutes; naturally my cooling requirements are much higher than yours (conversely, 55F is just fine for me with a bathrobe ). I've always been of the view that indoor temperatures should be optimized for the inhabitants' comfort, and it's great that you're comfortable in such temperatures (with the added benefit of saving money on A/C relative to most others).
Sweat is dripping off my head anytime I spend a pro-longed period in a room that's around 30 C. Very uncomfortable, even with a fan on.
Ideal indoor temperature during the winter is around 60 F. I feel perfectly comfortable when the room temperature is in the 50s though. Only time I prefer a little heat is in the morning when I get up.
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The weather's pretty changeable, so that might be a factor, but I think what type of clothes you wear matters quite a bit. For example, since fall began, I've worn gloves when temperatures are in the 30s, and I still do (I've worn layers of gloves at cooler temps), so unless I compensate by wearing an extra layer somewhere, I find it pretty cold when I'm not wearing gloves at 0C. I see some people wearing the same clothes regardless of the temperature, so they will probably find the first 65 degree day pretty warm until they get used to it. Since I'm all layered up now, it won't matter to me because I would shed them on that day.
. I also sometimes wear a vest if it's under 40 F, but it's not a regular occurrence. I almost always wear sunglasses or ski goggles when outside, and thus I often look like I'm apt to go to the beach all day when it's around freezing 
. I primarily dress for comfort, with my own style in consideration, and thus I often get inquiries of "aren't you cold?", which I proudly shrug off.
