The world's worst weather forecast for this week? (climate, hottest, records)

[Weatherfan2]

Originally Posted by Patricius Maximus

I have no reason to doubt your figures, but I have been looking at the same website for the past few weeks and I have noticed a cooldown. I assume that's correct for Buxton as well?

Crikey cool down, bloody arctic apocalypse, what nobody else realizes is that the COLD is practically the least part of the problem, the persistent 100% cloud cover and drizzle is the worst I've known in my life. People who aren't from the uk on this forum have never experienced the level of dullness we have in their entire lives and so naturally do not know what it is like to average less than 2 hours of sun a day IN SUMMER. And most of that early in the morning.

[wavehunter007]

Originally Posted by Weatherfan2

Crikey cool down, bloody arctic apocalypse, what nobody else realizes is that the COLD is practically the least part of the problem, the persistent 100% cloud cover and drizzle is the worst I've known in my life. People who aren't from the uk on this forum have never experienced the level of dullness we have in their entire lives and so naturally do not know what it is like to average less than 2 hours of sun a day IN SUMMER. And most of that early in the morning.

As a sun/warm weather fan I feel your pain.

However from a climatic perspective, it is rather interesting that you could be averaging only 2 hrs a day of sun in the Northern Hemisphere summer considering the longer hrs of sunlight this time of year near your latitude. It really is quite hard to imagine. Clouds must be above you 16 hrs a day no? How long has this been going on? A week, a month?

A would not worry however, if the pattern is truly that extreme…it won’t last long (they never do). Add, since nature always has a way of equaling things out it seems…perhaps the sunniest and warmest fall on record is just ahead for the UK?

PS: A note from the other page: I did mean 1990 and not 1980. I checked and you were right, 1990 was the hot UK late summer/fall, not 1980.

[Weatherfan2]

Originally Posted by wavehunter007

As a sun/warm weather fan I feel your pain.

However from a climatic perspective, it is rather interesting that you could be averaging only 2 hrs a day of sun in the Northern Hemisphere summer considering the longer hrs of sunlight this time of year near your latitude. It really is quite hard to imagine. Clouds must be above you 16 hrs a day no? How long has this been going on? A week, a month?

A would not worry however, if the pattern is truly that extreme…it won’t last long (they never do). Add, since nature always has a way of equaling things out it seems…perhaps the sunniest and warmest fall on record is just ahead for the UK?

PS: A note from the other page: I did mean 1990 and not 1980. I checked and you were right, 1990 was the hot UK late summer/fall, not 1980.

This is been going on since the 1st of June, exactly when "summer" was supposed to begin. This year there are no signs of any kind of emerging pattern bearing any similarity to 1990 although August may still have room for improvement. I'm not holding my breath.

[ben86]

Originally Posted by wavehunter007

As a sun/warm weather fan I feel your pain.

However from a climatic perspective, it is rather interesting that you could be averaging only 2 hrs a day of sun in the Northern Hemisphere summer considering the longer hrs of sunlight this time of year near your latitude. It really is quite hard to imagine. Clouds must be above you 16 hrs a day no? How long has this been going on? A week, a month?

A would not worry however, if the pattern is truly that extreme…it won’t last long (they never do). Add, since nature always has a way of equaling things out it seems…perhaps the sunniest and warmest fall on record is just ahead for the UK?

PS: A note from the other page: I did mean 1990 and not 1980. I checked and you were right, 1990 was the hot UK late summer/fall, not 1980.

At 4.30pm on day 9 this month our unofficial sun total is 13 hours, and 6.5 of those were on day 1 so over nearly eight days since then we've averaged around 50 minutes a day out of a possible 15-16 hours, which is roughly 5-6%, or seven or eight times below average. Rainfall hours over the same period I'd guess to be in the 40-50 range. I don't have the stats to hand but I think May and June were both at under 10 hours after the first week (or something similar), before improving slightly.

To give an idea of how unusual this is, even if there was no more rain for the rest of the month (not going to happen!), this would still be the wettest April (when this weather pattern started) - July period nationwide in nearly 200 years - coming after a very unusual prolonged dry spell over the past two years. If you can manage to trick yourself into thinking it's actually November it doesn't feel that bad but some of the statistics recently have been remarkable.

[Patricius Maximus]

Meh. Patterns will persist as long as they please, no matter how extreme they are. The past few years should have taught you that (well, if you were a N.H. denizen anyway).

There's no reason to expect a break from the pattern, and from what I've seen there isn't any indication of a flip on the models. Of course as far out as August there's no way to tell for sure, so there could be a pattern flip to warmth, or on the other hand it could continue as it is or even become cooler.

On a side note (and this has nothing to do with Wavehunter but rather another group), a lot of people seem to cry and whine when there's any deviation from the average, and they're all so shocked when there isn't a break from it just for the sake of human convenience or for the sake of this quasi-divine extrinsic force known as "climo" (it might be exaggerated but that's what it seems like). As for myself I'm not shocked when there's a big deviation, nor do I expect any breaks when one does occur. One-two punches (or even more) are not the exception but actually the norm throughout meteorological and natural history.

This strange mentality ties into disaster preparedness or lack thereof as well. For example, in the Mid-Atlantic derecho the storm came and knocked down power systems, and after one storm comes through they expect everything to be over and "just peaches", apparently just for their own convenience. When the typical additional storms come through they were surprised and unprepared for anything else that might come their way.

[wawa1992]

121 F. Awful. Even if there's a 106 F heat index. I'd much rather have Buxton in every way. I'd rather have nonstop clouds than nonstop sun. I'll take 55 F / 13 C before 121 F / 49 C.

[dhdh]

The past weeks and posts on this forum have successfully convinced me that I will never take a job in the UK - 3 months ago I was still considering moving to London for a while for better career opportunities, but I think that's gonna be out of question for an extremely long time Less than 5 hours of sun a day, at such a high latitude, in June/July, is unlivable. (It could be OK if it was between 20 and 35°C all the time, but not only it's gloomy, it's also way too cool up there...)

Weatherfan, you might be the one I feel the most sorry for on this forum. Why don't you emigrate to southern France? We had 334 hours of sun in June

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I never understand the whole 'unlivable' line.. 63 million people live here, you know? And that number is increasing year-on-year. Clearly it is not unlivable. Just like Florida is not unlivable even though I think it resembles a sweaty old sock.

[j96g]

Weatherfan, what is your average high and low for the months of June-August? It seems that the avg. high doesn't even hit 70°F? I'm sorry, but if I lived in place that doesn't even average 70, I'm not gonna expect it to be warm or even hot in summer. Now if the average was like 85°F and it wasn't getting out of the low 70s, that's different.

[Infamous92]

Death Valley's forecast is just perfect. I wish I could just go there for a few days.