forum for people who love warm winters (snowing, average, temp)

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by SophieLL

You are right about that. If i lived in a climate like, say, Minneapolis, in the same conditions i live in this one (i dont own a car, i have to take buses/subways everyday, everything is outdoors all the time) i would suffer it a lot. It doesnt sound so nice to walk from a friends house one saturday at 3 am and go wait for the bus at the bus stop with -15 celsius!


ps: frozen hair, thats something i never heard of!! must feel weird!

Lol, your bolded statement doesn't sound very cold lover like.

[SophieLL]

Originally Posted by tom77falcons

Lol, your bolded statement doesn't sound very cold lover like.

I know, right? I didnt really never proclaim myself to be a cold lover, just mostly a heat hater and mild/cool lover.
Im just tolerating the cold more and more, but i know im far for being a real cold lover like Patricius Maximus and all the great cold lovers that are in this forum

[SophieLL]

Originally Posted by nei

10°C on a winter night? How about a cool summer night? Tommorow's morning low is forecast to be 11°C. Thursday's 9°C.

That sounds like Mar del Plata summers!

I love it!

[pigeonhole]

I despised the cold, so I try to take my vacations each winter in warm countries, but last winter I went to an extreme I won't go anymore : I couldn't handle the climate of southern Thailand (south of Phuket) , these deep tropics are just too much for me who has always been living in temperate climates, next winters I'll go for barely tropical (Cancun, the volcano (highland) region in El Salvador, northern Thailand around Chiang Mai) or desert/subtropical (southern Morocco)...

[nei]

Originally Posted by SophieLL

You are right about that. If i lived in a climate like, say, Minneapolis, in the same conditions i live in this one (i dont own a car, i have to take buses/subways everyday, everything is outdoors all the time) i would suffer it a lot. It doesnt sound so nice to walk from a friends house one saturday at 3 am and go wait for the bus at the bus stop with -15 celsius! And wait for half an hour for the bus at that temperature. If i think about it, i do and did A LOT of bus waiting at 3 am living in this climate, and never had a problem with that. At most you feel a bit chilly if its very cold, but in case it gets really cold, you can get a taxi. Its not the norm, it will usually be around 10 celsius wich is perfectly toelrable for waiting. I would guess that living in that kind of climate will requiere a car, and would make you very dependable on it. In this kinda climates i guess you are more "free" about that?

Montreal is as about as cold Minneapolis as a higher percentage (at least for North America, still not as high as NYC dunno what the numbers are for Buenos Aires) of people who get around by buses/subways/foot. People just learn to dress for it, and I imagine many get tired of it. And some love it . But by the end of winter I assume most look forward to its end.

Cars take a while to heat up and get heat inside the car. I don't have a garage so wiping the snow off my car can eat up time. And I'm not that comfortable with driving in snow. So many times, I find it easier to take the bus and step into something warm and no worries about driving with snow. Unfortunately, sometimes the bus is too hot and I have to race to remove the layers I'm wearing before I start sweating.

[Patricius Maximus]

Originally Posted by tom77falcons

Lol, your bolded statement doesn't sound very cold lover like.

Sophie never identified as a cold lover. She's more a fan of cool weather, not cold weather. As for spending a lot of time outside, Sophie would have been uncomfortable as she herself indicated. However, the discussion was about how she would take to life and daily living in a cold-winter climate, and going outside for stretches of 10 minutes or so between buildings and to get in cars comprises the bulk of day-to-day living for most people. For those purposes it is tolerable to her, or at least not frostbite-inducing.

I think it's also worth noting that in my experience, the bulk of "thermal inertia" wears off after 5 minutes or so. The cold or heat definitely sinks into me more after 30 minutes outside versus 15 minutes but it isn't a huge difference. Plus there is this thing called proper clothing that people can use to be comfortable in cold weather, which is more than a person can do in hot weather.

There are limits, though. No amount of clothing will insulate you from the feel of a winter environment, and thus most people who don't like the cold still will not like it no matter how much clothing they have. Also, the clothing itself may become a burden for many people, especially if it's bitterly cold (like -50F) and many layers are needed.

As for heating up the car, it does take a little bit of time for the heat to kick in, but I will add that it is a lot more reliable than the air conditioning I've experienced, which (if I turn it on when I start the car) usually blasts hot air in my face for about 3 minutes before it starts cooling me. Cold air coming out of my heating is uncommon and short-lived in comparison.

I will add, though, that I've been in some respectably cold weather on many occasions, and I find that most of the time I don't even use my car's heat. I'm usually just comfortable in my usual winter garb (snow bib, parka, etc.) in the unheated interior of the car, and I usually just unzip my coat or some such, since it's more convenient than storing it in the back and then putting all of it back on while sitting inside the car (which, by the way, can be nightmarish).

Add in the common phenomenon of sunshine coming through the glass that heats up the interior quite nicely, and it's no surprise that much of the time I ride "sans heating". Most of the time, in even merely warm weather, I feel like the sunshine coming through the glass is roasting me like an ant under a magnifying glass. That feeling sometimes comes even when the temperature is as cool as 50F. So when I can turn that tremendous heat to my advantage, I make the most of it. Besides, I don't like that hot, dry air blasting in my face, so when it's gentler and cooler I like that better.

[nei]

Originally Posted by Patricius Maximus

Sophie never identified as a cold lover. She's more a fan of cool weather, not cold weather. As for spending a lot of time outside, Sophie would have been uncomfortable as she herself indicated. However, the discussion was about how she would take to life and daily living in a cold-winter climate, and going outside for stretches of 10 minutes or so between buildings and to get in cars comprises the bulk of day-to-day living for most people. For those purposes it is tolerable to her, or at least not frostbite-inducing.

I can manage cold weather for basic day to day living, my bigger gripe is I don't enjoy it much for spending much time outside. I've lived a number of years in a cold winter climate without a car, though. This Edmonton cyclist seemed not to have too much trouble.

There are limits, though. No amount of clothing will insulate you from the feel of a winter environment, and thus most people who don't like the cold still will not like it no matter how much clothing they have. Also, the clothing itself may become a burden for many people, especially if it's bitterly cold (like -50F) and many layers are needed.

Glad to read that. Something many of the cold weather lovers fail to acknowledge (the claim you can always put more layers on and the cold will be fine). Doesn't really work for me. The cold feel can be partially removed from physical activity (such as hiking up a mountain) excluding bicycling which creates an additional wind chill except on uphills. Then layer switch as soon as uphill stops. Then repeat. Again. Dealing and carrying extra layers can be a pain, especially with physical activity or going back and forth indoors. The latter made worse from overheated places, as I mentioned earlier. Sadly, the buses are being replaced by ones with windows that don't open so I can longer improve the indoor temperature.

As for heating up the car, it does take a little bit of time for the heat to kick in, but I will add that it is a lot more reliable than the air conditioning I've experienced, which (if I turn it on when I start the car) usually blasts hot air in my face for about 3 minutes before it starts cooling me. Cold air coming out of my heating is uncommon and short-lived in comparison.

I don't usually mind slow A/C too much. The bigger issue I've had in the summer is the sun cooking certain surfaces of my black car interior (thankfully the seats aren't black) so that the steering is painfully hot to touch on the hottest days.

[Nivalis]

Overheated places are the worst. I would rather walk than take the bus if it's cold, and if I have to take it, then I purposely underdress. It's really annoying dealing with people like that who hate the cold so much that they heat it to temperatures that would be stuffy any other time of the year.

[ChesterNZ]

Originally Posted by Patricius Maximus

No amount of clothing will insulate you from the feel of a winter environment, and thus most people who don't like the cold still will not like it no matter how much clothing they have. Also, the clothing itself may become a burden for many people

That's exactly my problem. Needing to wear more than t-shirt and shorts is a sign that the weather is too cool for me.

[Patricius Maximus]

Originally Posted by nei

Glad to read that. Something many of the cold weather lovers fail to acknowledge (the claim you can always put more layers on and the cold will be fine). Doesn't really work for me. The cold feel can be partially removed from physical activity (such as hiking up a mountain) excluding bicycling which creates an additional wind chill except on uphills. Then layer switch as soon as uphill stops. Then repeat. Again. Dealing and carrying extra layers can be a pain, especially with physical activity or going back and forth indoors. The latter made worse from overheated places, as I mentioned earlier. Sadly, the buses are being replaced by ones with windows that don't open so I can longer improve the indoor temperature.

I do maintain that just about anyone will not feel too cold in cold weather if they have proper clothing. That alone makes it easier to deal with than heat, but it doesn't remove the "feel" of the winter environment. You still have to deal with it, because the clothing only creates a bubble of warmth around your skin, not the entire area. Even a spacesuit, for example, doesn't remove the feel of being in space.

But not being cold and being fine with cold weather are two different things. The former does occur if you're properly dressed, but the latter is independent of clothing.

I don't usually mind slow A/C too much.

Naturally .