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The average first freeze for NYC is roughly around November 20th, maybe slightly later depending on the station.
Wow, NYC is that late for a first frost. That must be all urban heat island. That sure looks like an anomaly compared to the rest of the Northeast. Our avg date of first 32F temp is around 6 November. I'm sure the burbs of NYC are before that time. Most rural places around here are last week of October. Even Cape May NJ on the coast is 7 November. Virginia Beach, VA avg date of first frost is November 23rd.
Winter is pretty unpredictable time here. First freeze is usually in late October and first snow in late November - early December, but in 2010 first snow fell only December 31, also January 2007 was without freeze almost all month.
What altitude does snow lie at for the whole winter there? How far from you are the closest areas with all winter snow?
Closest sea level snow is Norway at 500 miles or Iceland at 650 miles. So not that far. For permanent mountain snow it depeds on the winter but ben Nevis is guarnteed permanent snow. Which is around 130 miles away. There is a 700 mountain 25 miles away and it has snow on it quite slot of the winter. When it is raining here at 5c it is often snowing and lying there. And our average high is 5.5c. I am convinced that it is the sea temperatures that stop us in the bi from getting loads of snow because we are quite frequently on the marginal side.
He said what is the altitude of snow lying all winter and I said around 700m. Ben Nevis is 1300 and actually there are snow patches that last all year up there, it is said that if it was 100-209m higher there would be permanent snow.
Wow, NYC is that late for a first frost. That must be all urban heat island. That sure looks like an anomaly compared to the rest of the Northeast. Our avg date of first 32F temp is around 6 November. I'm sure the burbs of NYC are before that time. Most rural places around here are last week of October. Even Cape May NJ on the coast is 7 November. Virginia Beach, VA avg date of first frost is November 23rd.
It is crazy. It may not be common, but there could be nights along the southeast coast (South Carolina/Georgia) nearly as cold, if not, colder than NYC. It must be the heat island.
NYC suburbs generally get their first freeze sometime in mid to late October.
When would you say is a good start date for winter in your town? Do you feel like November is still a fall month? Or would it more aptly be a winter month? Nov 1st? Nov 15th? Dec 1st? Dec 21st? What start date do you like for winter?
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Here in the coastal areas of the Tri-State area (NYC/Long Island/Connecticut/coastal New Jersey) I think real winter sets in on December 1st most of the time. .
Here on coastal CT Winter Never starts.
No seriously. We never have a winter here, just some winter "days" in between a long Autumn season.
Winter in Australia means a kind if weather where generally nobody wants air conditioning inside and most people try to get or stay warm, most of the day.
This might be different in Victoria as my experiences are from western Australia, Queensland and new south Wales.
In Townsville about 1 in 5 days felt lik
e this chilly in June, relative to what
we we're used to
Like in the UK our seasons start on the 1st of the month, in the case of winter it is 1st June.
I think the American system of defining seasons astronomically is more appropriate for Perth's climate as we don't usually get our coldest/warmest weather until after each respective solstice.
No seriously. We never have a winter here, just some winter "days" in between a long Autumn season.
I agree, for a winter fan on the East Coast...once you get as far south as coastal Connecticut/Long Island, NY...winter can be quite fleeting. Once you get to this area and points south along the Atlantic coast monthly mean temps are near freezing or above in the coldest months, Still, there are some good years when several snowstorms and lighter snow events can make it feel quite "winter like", esp for a WWF like me.
I saw this map online a few years ago , it shows the the average number of days with snow cover in the USA. I thought it showed well how fast the snow gradient increases/decrease as you move north/south along the East Coast:
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