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View Poll Results: Which has a better climate in your opinion
United Kingdom 8 14.04%
New Zealand 49 85.96%
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:56 AM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Snow can fall to below 4000ft here in any month and it isn't that unusual either. The summer snowline is as much about summer temps, as snowfall. Snowfall is exceedingly rare at sea level around here, but snowfall on the nearby mountains would match or even exceed anywhere in the highlands, despite only being 1500 ft higher.

NZ also has large areas between 12000 ft and sea level and large falls at intermediate to low levels are more common than you probably think. I know somebody from NI, who said he had never seen snow like what he had seen while working about an hour inland from here. It was a particularly impressive fall though and he was repairing power lines.
Face it low level New Zealand does not have snow like the UK. Anywhere.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Face it low level New Zealand does not have snow like the UK. Anywhere.
It depends on your definition of low level. At sea level, for sure, UK will get heavier snows. AT 500m/1500ft (which I would consider low level) I wouldn't be be so sure. At 1000m/3000 ft I would think falls here could match the UK.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:25 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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I disagree, Aucklands average high in the winter is around 15c, Aberdeen's is around 5/6c. Up there, they will not have snow at a 1000m, here I think the average snowline in the winter may be below 1000m.

At the very south of the island the high averages 10c. Normal lapse rate would put that around 3c at 1000m.
So um, that isn't conductive for snow.

Yes, at 6000feet, but then we don't have mountains that high.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I disagree, Aucklands average high in the winter is around 15c, Aberdeen's is around 5/6c. Up there, they will not have snow at a 1000m, here I think the average snowline in the winter may be below 1000m.

At the very south of the island the high averages 10c. Normal lapse rate would put that around 3c at 1000m.
So um, that isn't conductive for snow.

Yes, at 6000feet, but then we don't have mountains that high.
Snowfall at 1000m in the south of the country is very common and in colder winters would lie for 3-4 months. Even where I live, snow can lie at 1000m for about 2 months in colder winters and even an average winter would see snow fall at 1000m 20 times a winter.

If you had mountains at 6000ft I don't think you would have the snowfall of here at 6000 ft. The huge snowfalls in NZ mountains are more about the amount of precipitation than temperature.

The normal lapse rate isn't a good guide. Places in the south, can have an average July temp of 3C and yet be only 200 m above sea level.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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Well, when I said snow I mean't the longevity of the snowfall.

And if we'd have mountains of 6000feet here we'd have glaciers.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I disagree, Aucklands average high in the winter is around 15c, Aberdeen's is around 5/6c. Up there, they will not have snow at a 1000m, here I think the average snowline in the winter may be below 1000m.

At the very south of the island the high averages 10c. Normal lapse rate would put that around 3c at 1000m.
So um, that isn't conductive for snow.

Yes, at 6000feet, but then we don't have mountains that high.
Snowfall at 1000m in the south of the country is very common and in colder winters would lie for 3-4 months. Even where I live snow can lie on the ground for about 2 months in colder winters and even an average winter would see snow fall at 1000m 20 times a winter.

If you had mountains at 6000ft I don't think you would have the snowfall of here at 6000 ft. The huge snowfalls in NZ mountains are more about the amount of precipitation than temperature.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:53 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Highs around 3°C are sufficient to provide snow for much of the winter, might melt partially and get snowfree stretches but still conducive for lots of snow. Look at the averages here:

LONGMIRE RAINIER NPS, WASHINGTON - Climate Summary
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Even better, look at places on the west coast of Japan - average highs of around 5C but bucket loads of snowfall.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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In a maritime climate with mild sea temperatures it will be different.

I've lost count of the number of times we've seen rain at 2c this winter. In-fact it is raining right now at 3c.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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Well, when I said snow I mean't the longevity of the snowfall.

And if we'd have mountains of 6000feet here we'd have glaciers.
Ha, thats true but New Zealand also has glaciers but our glaciers would be huge.
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