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My point about latitude you seemed to have misunderstood: Yes, I know that the VERY TIP of NZ is at 34 S....but 98% of the rest of New Zealand is north of 35 latitude....unlike the subtropics in Australia and the Deep South USA that is located between 25 to 34 latitude, where the sun is stronger and has a higher angle. I think seasonal temp comparisons speak for themselves - it's warmer in spring in Brisbane/Queensland or the USA Deep South, than in peak summer anywhere in NZ.
I think it's foolish to compare higher latitudes like New Zealand (which is mostly between 38 and 47 latitude) with subtropical latitudes (25 to 34 N/S) in terms of temps, sun angle...etc.
You seem to have misunderstood my point, which is nothing about temperatures. I've been to 34"S in early spring. The sun during spring there doesn't feel anywhere as strong as it does here in mid summer at 41"S.
If you're going to take 4 degrees of latitude off NZ, to suit your argument, we may as well lop them off the bottom as well. So now we have New New Zealand, Lat 38-43"S
Location: Segovia, central Spain, 1230 m asl, Csb Mediterranean with strong continental influence, 40º43 N
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Such meanders of the jet stream in mid summer like this one we'll have here tomorrow doesn't fit too much with truly subtropical mediterranean climates:
Those charts are a load of crap. Unbelievable how there's always a blasted tongue of cold air right over the UK EVERY SINGLE SUMMER. 8°C 850hpa isotherm bloody 1000 miles south as always.
I know that New York City is technically humid subtropical, which sounds really weird since the winters are so cold and snowy.
My definition is all 12 months have a monthly mean of 50 F+, but what do you guys think?
I don't think that the NYC metropolitan area can truly be considered just Cfa (Humid Subtropical Climate), but a combination of 3 different climate areas.
In the northern Neighborhoods and outlying suburbs of NYC, you have Dfa (Humid Continental Climate) being farther from the ocean and more subjected to Temperature Extremes. You have Cfa in the more coastal areas, especially on Long Island, but even that is just too cool. You also have Cfb (Oceanic Climate) on coastal areas characterized by cool weather and rainy pretty much all year.
8+ months of average temps of 50+ and no month below freezing. So, under my definition, Washington DC does not qualify but Charlotte, North Carolina does. Richmond, Virginia is borderline.
I don't think that the NYC metropolitan area can truly be considered just Cfa (Humid Subtropical Climate), but a combination of 3 different climate areas.
In the northern Neighborhoods and outlying suburbs of NYC, you have Dfa (Humid Continental Climate) being farther from the ocean and more subjected to Temperature Extremes. You have Cfa in the more coastal areas, especially on Long Island, but even that is just too cool. You also have Cfb (Oceanic Climate) on coastal areas characterized by cool weather and rainy pretty much all year.
Yes, Central Westchester County and above are Dfa, the 5 boroughs and the western 2/3's of Long Island are Cfa, Eastern Long Island is Oceanic Cfb.
The little area of Suffolk County called the Pine Barrens tends to have very cold winter nights so it may be considred Dfa
I'm doubtful this area could be considered Cfb, even if it does have a cooler summer. It's weather patterns would still lack the defining features of Oceanic climates.
I'm doubtful this area could be considered Cfb, even if it does have a cooler summer. It's weather patterns would still lack the defining features of Oceanic climates.
Thanks-very interesting. I still don't see how this is Cfb (or even close) though. Oceanic climates are defined by a continuation of the same weather systems/patterns throughout the year. Montauk weather systems/patterns would seem to be the same as the rest of the region, although with a higher degree of moderation due to proximity to the sea.
Thanks-very interesting.Montauk weather systems/patterns would seem to be the same as the rest of the region, although with a higher degree of moderation due to proximity to the sea.
That's why, because of the moderation. If you have ever been in far Eastern Long Island, it has a much windier, cooler, Oceanic feel in the summer than areas immediately to the west. Especially areas in the extreme east such as Montauk and Orient Point
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