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I can't believe that Kharkiv gets less sunshine than Stockholm. How Hong Kong Observatory's data is accurate? According to this map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._hours_map.png, Kharkiv gets much more sunshine.
Don't know for Kharkiv's stats, but Stockholm is accurate. And why not? In spring and summer, when most of the sunshine is collected Stockholm have an advantage due to their longer days.
In winter, when Kharkiv have the advantage, you don't get much sun anyway, and the advantage is mostly wasted.
The Baltic Sea and interior Sweden usually disperses rain and cloud quite effectively, which makes the Baltic coast a quite sunny location. A colder climate doesn't always mean less sunshine, it depends on various factors.
I'd say for Northern Europe that map is mostly accurate, but that whole 2000-line is maybe a bit off. Don't know.
Don't know for Kharkiv's stats, but Stockholm is accurate. And why not? In spring A colder climate doesn't always mean less sunshine, it depends on various factors.
I meant not "cold" and "warm" climates (And Stockholm's climate isn't colder than Kharkiv's. Winters in Stockholm are milder than in Kharkiv, through summers are cooler in Stockholm). Stockholm's climate is maritime, while Kharkiv's is continental. Plus more southern parts of Europe are usually sunnier because of influence of Azores High.
Stockholm is 'continental' until more recent data proves otherwise (cities like Berlin, Munich and Vienna are continental according to Koppen). Any climate that is capable of keeping a snow pack for 5 months, and recording a month with a mean max of -9C (Jan 1987) is not maritime in any way IMO.
Can't find an authoratitive source for Stockholm, but other ones cite it as having over 1900 hours of sunshine annually, compared with about 1770 for Kharkiv (this number from EducaPlus).
For me it's too hot in summer and too dry year round. I would lower sunshine hours in summertime a little (-40 hours).
Winters are colder/better than ours.
Stockholm is 'continental' until more recent data proves otherwise (cities like Berlin, Munich and Vienna are continental according to Koppen). Any climate that is capable of keeping a snow pack for 5 months, and recording a month with a mean max of -9C (Jan 1987) is not maritime in any way IMO.
They are all oceanic according to Köppen. (The -3C January is indeed a bit low, should be 0C.) Stockholm is probably classified as oceanic if SMHI ever releases their 1981-2010 normals. And the 1986-1987 winter was exeptional and the coldest since WWII, in Helsinki January 1987 is the coldest ever recorded, probably in Stockholm as well. It's like saying July 2010 was a normal summer month.
And I don't think Stockholm has had a 5-month snowpack since the 1940s, maybe not even then. I'm not sure, it would require a extremely cold April.
Still, I agree with you. Stockholm is no way oceanic.
I never said it was normal. When did I ever say that? I am merely saying that no oceanic climate is capable of such cold weather.
And Stockholm had a snow pack from early November until mid-late March in the winter of 2010/2011, so pretty close, and in the winter of 2009/2010, snow was constant from mid December until late March, with a very deep snow pack throughout most of January, February and March, and temperatures falling to -23C. Can't see any maritime climate achieving such a thing, even during colder winters. I think classing Stockholm as maritime is quite frankly ludicrous. It's more similar to Helsinki than Bergen.
Can't find an authoratitive source for Stockholm, but other ones cite it as having over 1900 hours of sunshine annually, compared with about 1770 for Kharkiv (this number from EducaPlus).
I've found that source to be pretty reliable. The number also agrees with old maps which show a very large region of northern Asia under 2000 hours (along with the general comment on Russia: "cloudy despite its continentality").
I never said it was normal. When did I ever say that? I am merely saying that no oceanic climate is capable of such cold weather.
And Stockholm had a snow pack from early November until mid-late March in the winter of 2010/2011, so pretty close, and in the winter of 2009/2010, snow was constant from mid December until late March, with a very deep snow pack throughout most of January, February and March, and temperatures falling to -23C. Can't see any maritime climate achieving such a thing, even during colder winters. I think classing Stockholm as maritime is quite frankly ludicrous. It's more similar to Helsinki than Bergen.
You didn't say, I just feel a bit uncomfortable to use the coldest month ever as an example. And the 2010/2011 winter was exceptional as well. Now they have had a continuous snow cover since Nov 29, so let's see how long it lasts!
Yes, continental on the map there, but he classified the coldest month to have a mean of -3C to be classified as continental, something none of those Central European cities don't meet anymore. Berlin has a mean of 0.5C in January.
IMHO the Köppen map should be revised seriously, as the climate has changed a lot in norther latitudes since then and Köppen had very little data from few weather stations on his hands. That's why that large ridiculous 'subarctic' area in southern France is there.
But we don't exactly still disagree upon anything.
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(The -3C January is indeed a bit low, should be 0C.) Stockholm is probably classified as oceanic if SMHI ever releases their 1981-2010 normals. And the 1986-1987 winter was exeptional and the coldest since WWII, in Helsinki January 1987 is the coldest ever recorded, probably in Stockholm as well. It's like saying July 2010 was a normal summer month.
