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Old 04-21-2016, 07:31 PM
 
Location: United Nations
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Why does Madison, WI have cooler summers compared to places further west?
Uhm... actually that's the norm for all the US
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Old 04-21-2016, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Why does Madison, WI have cooler summers compared to places further west?
It's wetter than places west of it, possibly less prone to high pressure ridging and extreme heat/drought.
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Old 04-21-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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I think an "idyllic" four season climate is the likes of Des Moines or Omaha. Both get hot and humid summers, cold and reasonably snowy winters, very well defined springs and autumns.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omaha,_Nebraska#Climate



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Moines,_Iowa#Climate
What about NYC, despite not being as cold? Having hot humid summers, they still get some now in winter (even blizzards). Any colder there it's not "idyllic".
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Old 04-21-2016, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Orcutt, CA (Santa Maria Valley)
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It's wetter than places west of it, possibly less prone to high pressure ridging and extreme heat/drought.
Only has 1 month averaging 80 degrees. Also not much seasonal lag with August and June almost the same temperature. I think its quite interesting.

Climate Madison - Wisconsin and Weather averages Madison
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Seoul
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I feel like the four season climate dream is ruined by the reality of really short shoulder seasons. In some places on the East Coast, you can get winter weather anytime from October to the start of May, ruining the fall and spring seasons in the process. It's even worse when a really cold March and April are followed by a scorching May that feels more like July, that means you don't even get a real spring
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Old 04-21-2016, 11:48 PM
 
Location: In transition
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True four season climates are highly overrated in my opinion and most are failures to me. Tropical climates all the way for me!
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Old 04-22-2016, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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I think NYC is basically the perfect 4 season climate. January average is almost 0C, July average is almost 25C. Same amount of precip year round but different types. It is basically what I think of when I think of four seasons.
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Old 04-22-2016, 03:26 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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We have four seasons here, although winter can be a bit lackluster sometimes and we may have an entire winter without any snow. Yet it feels cold most of the time from november to march to wear heavy clothing. July-August is definitely shorts weather.

Shoulder seasons are what makes that a year is going to be good or not. I feel in some midwestern US climates they tend to not exist that much, especially spring. At least here spring is a reality (maybe because winters are milder ?)
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Old 04-22-2016, 09:19 AM
 
Location: United Nations
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We have four seasons here, although winter can be a bit lackluster sometimes and we may have an entire winter without any snow. Yet it feels cold most of the time from november to march to wear heavy clothing. July-August is definitely shorts weather.

Shoulder seasons are what makes that a year is going to be good or not. I feel in some midwestern US climates they tend to not exist that much, especially spring. At least here spring is a reality (maybe because winters are milder ?)
You typed Bologna as your location, so I will talk about that city from a Wunderground.com/history point of view, during the whole of 2012 (I'm using this year, because Bologna got to the closest of actually having "winter").

January 2012 starts quite bad, with 27 days with temperatures rising above freezing, and 12 days ≥10 °C. Yes, in the middle of the winter.
Only 4 days had highs ≤0 °C, and only 6 days had highs ≤3 °C.
Only 2 days had lows ≤-5 °C, which disappeared at 9:20 A.M. the first time and at 8:20 A.M. the second time. Yes, if you want cold weather in Bologna, you have to go outside early in the morning, if you are lucky enough, you can get 2 moderately cold mornings in the whole month of January. LOL.

Maybe February 2012 will be better (?) (it's sarcastic, I already know how it is)

The first 13 days look like a normal winter, which looks very similar to average January weather in Chicago. And this was the coldest it got since at least 2010. The first 13 days of February 2012 were the only instance, at least since 2010, that got a temperature below -10 °C. In four season climates, temperatures below -20 °C are guaranteed every year.

After February 14, 2012, temperatures start to rise, and spring comes. The last temperature ≤-5 °C occurred on February 16. Goodbye winter. Towards the end of the month, 6 consecutive days of highs ≥14 °C occurred. It's finally spring.

No frost on March. Winter has totally disappeared. With 18 days of ≥20 °C highs, and 3 days of ≥25 °C highs, I'm not sure it would feel that cold. And, it should still be winter, after all. I know, that this was a very strong anomaly, but the coldest it ever got in March in Bologna since 2010 was a mere -3 °C, which happened just thrice in 6 years, and never made it past 07:20 A.M. and once it didn't make past 03:50 A.M. so the only times an average person could have experienced them were only 2 in 6 years. As you can see, winters in Bologna are extremely short. Temperatures ≤-10 °C are guaranteed every March in four season climates, and there's also a slight chance to get temperatures ≤-20 °C.

April is virtually frostless in Bologna, with the only instance of frost happening during April 2015 (and even so, I'm not even entirely sure, I checked the daily data and I didn't see any frost). Frosts are guaranteed in April in four season climates, and lows can get colder than -5 °C in some years.

May to the end of September is typical for four season climates standards, however, during October, there's a slight difference: the mornings are colder in four season climates and temperatures below freezing are guaranteed every October in four season climates.

October 2012 in Bologna had 24 days with lows ≥10 °C, and 13 consecutive days with lows ≥14 °C at the beginning of the month.

Frost isn't guaranteed during November in Bologna, the coldest it got was -4 °C on November 2011, and even so, it didn't get past 7:20 A.M.

Frosts are guaranteed in four seasons climates every November, and about half of the years get lows below -10 °C.

The coldest it got in Bologna during december (since 2010, if I have to remind you), was -9 °C. Temperatures below -10 °C in December are much more than just guaranteed in four season climates, and they've got a good chance to get below -20 °C.

Subtropical climates like Bologna aren't good to get 4 seasons. Well, maybe 3: spring, summer and fall. It just doesn't get full winter there.

A good place for four season climates is Madison, Wisconsin IMO.
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Old 04-22-2016, 09:24 AM
 
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I've seen people at extreme ends of the temperate climate describe their climate as having four seasons.

For example, Raleigh, NC (subtropical)
Raleigh gets snow every winter, it's a 4-seasonal climate. In fact, it can be said that Raleigh is a perfect 4-seasonal climate as each season tends to last roughly 3 months. Whereas a place like Chicago is skewed towards longer winters, and short springs.
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