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Good question, I'm not sure lol. I know the local NWS station is about 500 feet up. Elevation in my town varies from 400-1,260 feet (maybe higher?). Highest point in NJ is 1,800 feet. Lots of hills.
Highest elevation in Bergen County is 1,100 feet. I can actually see NYC from that point. The climate here isn't too dissimilar to NW NJ...just maybe a tad warmer.
Highest elevation in Morris County is 1,300 feet.
Wow...I had no idea there were points that high in NW NJ. I'm mostly in the Cape May - Atlantic City area when I'm in New Jersey, so of course it's a totally different elevation perspective. I do remember that part of the reason that tubing down the DE Water Gap is fun is the change in elevation from NW to SE (I think).
As far as seeing NYC from the highest point in Bergen County...I can see that. Here in southern CT, before the Twin Towers fell (and maybe now again that a single tower has been rebuilt)....once could see the top of the towers from the top of the tallest buidings in Stamford and New Haven.
If a solution is shown with just one run, it can be mentioned but not taken seriously.
Then why say it?
Because that is what today's weather/MARKETING is all about = HYPE. Some will take one model run (they know DARN WELL is pure fantasy) and try to hype into a HEADLINE!
To an old climo person like myself, I think the model hype has ruined weather as a science. Those hyped forecasted are why people laugh in the face of a person when they tell someone they are a meteorologist these days. Our local TV meteorologist is a joke, people laugh at everything she says, and I feel bad for her, she IS a college graduate, but the TV station NEEDS ratings.
Let's at least have some logic and reason...and some understanding of basic regional climatology.....rather than throw out wild computer fantasy forecasts just to get some attention or a headline.
Is meteorology a science...or the Jerry Springer show?
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Because that is what today's weather/MARKETING is all about = HYPE. Some will take one model run (they know DARN WELL is pure fantasy) and try to hype into a HEADLINE!
Why? Because it's an interesting possibilty that's fun to track. No one's claiming it's real. It's a weather forum, not an official forecasting group. If you're not interested, you don't have to watch. I often ignore them until the posts untitl the models seem more certain. Still, it's nice to see really early forecasts in the making. As I said before:
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Cambium never claimed it was likely, nor did he ever claimed there was snow forecast for any of the northeast cities. No is claiming snow in November is common, either. Some people find it interesting to see there is a model showing a potential for an unusual weather event, such as snow in the (interior) northeast. Occasionally some of the "fantasy" forecasts become a reality, such as the October snow storm in 2011. Or Hurricane Sandy. Many more fizzle out. It can fun to watch and see.
[quote]To an old climo person like myself, I think the model hype has ruined weather as a science. Those hyped forecasted are why people laugh in the face of a person when they tell someone they are a meteorologist these days. Our local TV meteorologist is a joke, people laugh at everything she says, and I feel bad for her, she IS a college graduate, but the TV station NEEDS ratings.
That's just silly. Weather forecasting quality and accuracy have improved dramatically mainly because of models. It's how meterology works:
Let's at least have some logic and reason...and some understanding of basic regional climatology.....rather than throw out wild computer fantasy forecasts just to get some attention or a headline.
And as Cambium posted, regional climatology does support snow in the northeast in November. Not every year, but it does happen.
wow today is the first time it actually feels like fall. forecast high is only 80f and right now it's a cool 74f and somewhat surprising this is our low for the day despite the sun being up for the past 3 hours.
that's a weird situation. But I've seen that happen before.
Several inches of snow can lie if its 1c.
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and right now it's a cool 74f and somewhat surprising this is our low for the day despite the sun being up for the past 3 hours.
