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And winter is December, January, February & always has been, not quite sure why anyone would try to disagree with that?
I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. A diff in winter means of 1.8F is "far colder". What are you basing this on?
Do you consider Hopewell, VA southeast of Richmond by about 15 miles, "far warmer" than London since the winter mean in Hopewell is 43F (warmer than London by 1.4F)?
I still think a huge metropolis like London has quite a large UHI that is impacting these means. When you go outside London in any direction the winter means drop a little bit. I'm not sure but why is Gravesend, southeast of London, colder than London in winter? Same for other locations outside of London. When you go to Williamsburg or Hopewell, points southeast of Richmond, the winter means are warmer. Hopewell, VA is 2F warmer than Gravesend comparing winter mean temps.
There's only about 4 pages of this thread worth reading because of the bloody keyboard warriors.
Anyway, in MY experience I would definitely say London would feel colder, although Richmond has more proper wintry days.
The longer days and stronger Sunshine do make a difference. Obviously Richmond is colder at night, but it will feel warmer through the day.
I know the temperatures are similar, but the people arguing that London would feel warmer have quite obviously never felt similar temperatures at a much lower latitude. There is quite a noticeable difference.
And before anybody questions my opinion, I live in England, and I've experienced Norfolk, VA.
I think that is a bit of an exaggeration. A diff in winter means of 1.8F is "far colder". What are you basing this on?
Do you consider Hopewell, VA southeast of Richmond by about 15 miles, "far warmer" than London since the winter mean in Hopewell is 43F (warmer than London by 1.4F)?
I still think a huge metropolis like London has quite a large UHI that is impacting these means. When you go outside London in any direction the winter means drop a little bit. I'm not sure but why is Gravesend, southeast of London, colder than London in winter? Same for other locations outside of London. When you go to Williamsburg or Hopewell, points southeast of Richmond, the winter means are warmer. Hopewell, VA is 2F warmer than Gravesend comparing winter mean temps.
I meant far colder in terms of extreme minimums. Richmond gets much colder lows in winter than London, the means are only a little cooler due to Richmond getting extremes, where it can be warm one day & freezing cold the next...
It doesn't matter if London has a large UHI, all big cities do. Those temperatures are being recorded, it doesn't really matter why...
Gravesend is in Kent, close to the Thames estuary, it isn't a city so doesn't have any UHI effect. It does however often record the highest temperatures during the summer months though. It also depends on what direction the wind is blowing. An easterly or north easterly there during the winter will be cold, but due to it's location minimum temperatures wont be as low as places further west, but a north westerly or westerly will actually be colder as the air will have to travel far over land...
Alternative thread title: Another "carefully chosen city to give London the warm edge" thread.
Not really, London has warmer mean temps and is drier. Richmond has warmer highs, more snow and more sun. There wouldn't be much point in having a London vs Jacksonville or a London vs NYC winter battle, would there?
Of course, you just like to poke fun at pretty much everything I post though.
I meant far colder in terms of extreme minimums. Richmond gets much colder lows in winter than London, the means are only a little cooler due to Richmond getting extremes, where it can be warm one day & freezing cold the next...
It doesn't matter if London has a large UHI, all big cities do. Those temperatures are being recorded, it doesn't really matter why...
Gravesend is in Kent, close to the Thames estuary, it isn't a city so doesn't have any UHI effect. It does however often record the highest temperatures during the summer months though. It also depends on what direction the wind is blowing. An easterly or north easterly there during the winter will be cold, but due to it's location minimum temperatures wont be as low as places further west, but a north westerly or westerly will actually be colder as the air will have to travel far over land...
But if you are going to use extremes, then I can say Richmond is far warmer due to the much warmer temp records that occur in winter in Richmond. Also, Richmond gets more 60F days than London. A town 15 miles from Richmond is warmer than London.
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