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View Poll Results: What temperature range is necessary for a climate to have 4 seasons?
0-5C 1 3.70%
5-10C 4 14.81%
10-15C 6 22.22%
15-20C 5 18.52%
20-25C 6 22.22%
greater than 25C 5 18.52%
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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So Warwick, with it's smaller range than Paris, is more of a 4 season climate? and Brisbane doesn't qualify because it's almost not humid subtropical? - how about Coff's Harbour, firmly Humid subtropical and with a seasonal range of only 10C/20F, is that more of a 4 season climate than Berlin at 19C/38F?

I don't need to Cherry pick, to show the obvious flaws in your argument. I think you are buying into the "season-less Oceanic climate" notion, just a little too readily. I guess you're using Koppen's Humid Subtropical definition, that's sure to mean big inconsistencies.
Why are you still debating Berlin? It is humid continental and that was the definition of a four season climate in my original premise.

Shanghai, Beijing, Washington DC, Atlanta, St. Louis all have four seasons, all in humid subtropical regime. The borders are doubtful but so are the borders between humid continental and subarctic. Is Saguenay Quebec really a four season climate?
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Brighton, England
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Jan: 6C
Apr: 10C
Jul: 16C
Oct: 12C
thats 2 season climate. autumn and spring, i dont see any summer or winter in your temps.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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Oceanic climates are not two season climates in my opinion certainly not. Seattle, London, Paris, Amsterdam and Christchurch are most definitely four season climates maybe not on par has the lights of Toronto or Warsaw but still a four season climate.
Nope, London is not a four season climate. That is ridiculous. You can't distinguish between a cold rainy summer's day and a warm rainy winter's day in London.

Average highs above 80 in summer are a must for a four season climate in my opinion.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Nope, London is not a four season climate. That is ridiculous. You can't distinguish between a cold rainy summer's day and a warm rainy winter's day in London.
Are you really so arrogant that you will express your opinion as being an undeniable fact? I live in England - and we have four seasons in my eyes. I can tell all four apart easily. If you came here for 12 months and could not, then there is something wrong with you. To be frank, your opinion does not count for anything as far as the people living here are concerned. You do not get to decide what season we have.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Why are you still debating Berlin? It is humid continental and that was the definition of a four season climate in my original premise.

Shanghai, Beijing, Washington DC, Atlanta, St. Louis all have four seasons, all in humid subtropical regime. The borders are doubtful but so are the borders between humid continental and subarctic. Is Saguenay Quebec really a four season climate?
Berlin is Cfb (Oceanic), so by your definition can't be a 4 season climate.

Saguenay is a very strong 4 season climate. A -16C mean in winter to 18C mean in summer, and with well spaced means in spring/autumn, it's a very clearly defined 4 season climate.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Brighton, England
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england has 4 seasons but they are just not very extreme, although winter in southern England could easily be classified as autumn in many countries or US states.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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That is what I think. We have four seasons, but they are tepid in all. But, as I said, if you spent a 12-month period here and could not tell the four seasons apart, then there is clearly something very, very wrong with you. Like all other temperate regions, we experience foliage and spring bloom. That alone is enough to make autumn and spring very much separate from winter, not to mention sun angle and daylight.
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Old 08-14-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Finland
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Average highs above 80 in summer are a must for a four season climate in my opinion.
If it's 20, 30 or 40 half the year, of course 70 feels like summer. Otherwise there's something wrong with you.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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england has 4 seasons but they are just not very extreme, although winter in southern England could easily be classified as autumn in many countries or US states.
With regards to temps, the three months of winter in London resemble November or March here (November being my least favorite month by far). June in London is more like our late April early May or late September early October in terms of temps. London's July/Aug is like mid May or mid September here.

So you can see that coming from a continental climate, it's had to consider oceanic climates truly four seasons. They are, but there aren't very tame.
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Old 08-14-2013, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Brighton, England
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well i grew up in continental climate myself... and now living here i can see 4 seasons, but they are just all very mild... summer is never as nice as in Poland and winter is never as snowy but they do exist.. but Northern Ireland for example does not have 4 seasons in my eyes... if avg july/aug high is not at least 20c then there is no summer.
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