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Old 08-23-2013, 09:27 PM
 
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So is the Adriactic sea warmer than the Atlantic coast because even at 41N right on the coast snow average is over 20 inches. 5" a year sounds sooo low its still hard to believe.
Don't know but the Adriatic is a puddle compared to the Atlantic. The Atlantic (which is itself warmed by the Gulf Stream) has the biggest influence on European winters, and to a lesser extent, summers. Maine is on the west side of the Atlantic, and the Earth's rotation naturally moves mild marine air from west to east. It would be more appropriate to compare Rimini with some location on the U.S West Coast.
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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C- winters too cold and summers not quite warm enough but winters above freezing
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Old 08-24-2013, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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The Adriatic's surface temperature usually ranges from 12 to 14 C (54 to 57 F) in the winter, except along the western Adriatic coast's northern part, where it drops to 9 C (48 F) in the winter.

So, still fairly mild in the winter. Venice on the NW edge of the Adriatic has a January average high of 42F, not too much warmer than coastal CT. At 41N on the Adriatic, snow would probably be negligible:

Italy is one of the warmer places in the world (in the winter, maybe the warmest, excluding western Iberia and a few islands) but the eastern US is relatively cool for its latitude, especially in the winter.
Thanks for all the info but since we're talking about snow, lets use the winter temps of the sea. When you say North Western Part, isn't Rimini considered in that area? So it drops to upper 40s, lets say low 50s?

Is it that much different from Long Island Sound? Doesn't the sound drop to 40s (I forget). I'm using the LIS now since Bridgeport snow averages 26 inches a year and it's further south in Lat.

I think the Andriatic sea temps definitely have an influence but I think there's more to it than that. I think the mountains have a lot more to do with and maybe the flow of weather systems like you mentioned.

Could it be the sea on the West coast of Italy has influence too? Something tells me no since you have mountain ranges in between and Rimini is right on the Adriatic sea. It's like comparing the Pacific to Idaho. Does Idaho feel the influence of the Pacific? Yes, sometimes, but overall doesn't affect the snowfall totals in Idaho.

Here's a couple maps to show the location differences. I circled Portland Maine where 61" of snow annually is the norm.. Interesting about Eastern U.S being relatively cool for its latitude. Hmmm.

Once last thing... warmer coastal waters would fuel more snow anyway if the air was cold enough. Something tells me the cold air doesn't get to Rimini much and the averages actually show it. I was curious why and I think I have the answer now. Thanks !

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Old 08-24-2013, 05:58 AM
 
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Still I don't see the surprise if a place is mild and a place at the same latitude thousands of miles away is cold. I would be indeed surprised if Rimini got more snow than a place located where Portland is. Latitude matters on a global scale; such punctual comparisons are meaningless. On a local scale there are so many other more important variables to consider. With the same flawed logic, again, I should conclude that Portland's snowfalls are low because there are places in Japan which get four or five times its snowfalls, with higher temps too.

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Old 08-24-2013, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Don't know but the Adriatic is a puddle compared to the Atlantic. The Atlantic (which is itself warmed by the Gulf Stream) has the biggest influence on European winters, and to a lesser extent, summers. Maine is on the west side of the Atlantic, and the Earth's rotation naturally moves mild marine air from west to east. It would be more appropriate to compare Rimini with some location on the U.S West Coast.
Adriatic is a part of the Mediterranean basin, and Northern Adriatic (where Rimini is) although the coldest patch, it is still Mediterranean. So yes, I agree, Rimini should be compared with West Coast climates. Maybe Monterey, CA?


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So is the Adriactic sea warmer than the Atlantic coast because even at 41N right on the coast snow average is over 20 inches. 5" a year sounds sooo low its still hard to believe.
I know Cam, for you, except a deep freezer, nothing is cold enough. Good to see you here though.
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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the Earth's rotation naturally moves mild marine air from west to east.
Good point. Even without the gulf stream, Europe would still be mild and (relatively) snowless compared to the same latitude in North America.
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Old 08-24-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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The Black Sea froze last winter, not the Adriatic. The Danube river froze over almost completely.

But now to Rimini. March to October are very good, but winters are poor. I prefer snowfall and frost to 8C and cloudy. Sunshine good and precipitation excellent.

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Old 08-24-2013, 08:58 AM
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Thanks for all the info but since we're talking about snow, lets use the winter temps of the sea. When you say North Western Part, isn't Rimini considered in that area? So it drops to upper 40s, lets say low 50s?

Is it that much different from Long Island Sound? Doesn't the sound drop to 40s (I forget). I'm using the LIS now since Bridgeport snow averages 26 inches a year and it's further south in Lat.
I think it might be low 40s though rather than upper 40s.

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I think the Andriatic sea temps definitely have an influence but I think there's more to it than that. I think the mountains have a lot more to do with and maybe the flow of weather systems like you mentioned.
The Adriatic can't have a large of an influence. Look inland in the same region:

Parma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nights are definitely cooler. No snowfall data, it's probably more snow prone, I'd curious if data is available.

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Could it be the sea on the West coast of Italy has influence too? Something tells me no since you have mountain ranges in between and Rimini is right on the Adriatic sea. It's like comparing the Pacific to Idaho. Does Idaho feel the influence of the Pacific? Yes, sometimes, but overall doesn't affect the snowfall totals in Idaho.
Yea it looks like the mountains block the sea on the west coast. The Mediterrean Sea overall could make regional air masses warmer, though. Here's what the climate is on the other side of the Alps:

Basel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

47N, 14 inches. Winters aren't really any colder than northern Italy. Atlantic influence kills any snow. Latitude and snowfall is almost identical to Seattle. The difference is the oceanic influence reaches much further because the mountains are east-west rather than north-south. You'd need an airflow not from the north, which would pass over seas on its way from the arctic, but from the east or northeast to get cold enough air.
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Old 08-24-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Northern Italy
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I don't have data at hand but I can assure all of the Po valley has essentially the same Cfa-Csa hybrid, more towards Csa in the south and more like Cfa in the north. The proximity to the Adriatic sea is irrelevant as it is a very shallow sea, which makes its influence on the climate almost negligible.
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Old 08-24-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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I think it might be low 40s though rather than upper 40s.
You're wrong. The normal sea temperature in the northern Adriatic in winter is usually above 10c/50F, although I know that the Croatian part freezes during strong coldwaves (the isolated parts surrounded by mainland).
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