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View Poll Results: London vs Chicago
London 33 41.77%
Chicago 46 58.23%
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Old 05-22-2017, 09:53 AM
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People grow palm trees because they look nice, for the same reason that they grow roses, or camellias, or loquats, or whatever really.
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:05 AM
 
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Climate of Chicago - Description, Illinois State Climatologist Office, Illinois State Water Survey, U of I
Chicago's climate is typically continental with cold winters, warm summers, and frequent short fluctuations in temperature, humidity, cloudiness, and wind direction. Many consider the more moderate temperatures of spring and fall to be the most pleasant. Lake Michigan provides a moderating influence on temperature while boosting the amount of snowfall received in the city.
The large thermal mass of the lake tends to moderate temperatures, causing cooler summers and warmer winters.
- one of the major benefits is cool lake breezes that provide some relief from summer heat.
- the lake also tends to increase cloudiness in the area and suppress summer precipitation.
- winter precipitation is enhanced by lake-effect snows that occur when winds blow from the north or northeast. These winds allow air to pass over the relatively warm lake, boosting storm system energy and water content, and leading to increased snowfall.

I love to see palm trees. Takes me back to Florida trips on white-sand beaches and blue-green waters. Chicago has beaches but the sand is tan not white, parts can have small pebbles not all silky sand, waters surely tale on blue and green hues and waters are clear. The city plants a few palms near one downtown beach around a tiki bar (as I see it). Palms are not seen planted in the cities neighborhoods. But the city plants tropical-like flowers through its core.

Having lived in Chicago a few years. I remember colder then normal winters and much snowier ones from lake-effect snows and mild ones. Summers surely has the city very green and the Lakefront is a great asset. Off the lake breezes cool the downtown in hotter summer days or can keep the core and lakefront in a fog and sunny a few kilometers inland.

Winters generally have weather forecast giving temps as warmer near the lake and summers 10° cooler nerd the lake. This time of year it generally is less differences. The US Midwest region is considered the least desirable climate. Especially where Tornados can occur. Chicago can have one but extremely rare especially in the city proper.

Seattle and Portland as cities of the US Pacific Northwest. Are more likened to London climate. Far more dreary then not and mild winters near the coast especially. Chicago has weather as the Eastern US region of New England and city like Boston. Though a bit more milder then a Toronto both as Great Lakes cities and cores hugging their lakefronts.

Chicago averages 174 cloudy days a year. Bit more sun in summer months. More cold to snowy winters are seen in the US as least desirable. Part of the reason the US mild winter regions are growing much faster then northern regions. There are other factors to more a US migration more to its southern regions.

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Old 05-22-2017, 10:14 AM
 
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Winter and spring have seen the greatest amount of warming. Good that spring is warming. Imo, that is the worst season in Chicago




and here is some data for London and the UK

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Old 05-22-2017, 10:16 AM
 
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Winter and spring have seen the greatest amount of warming. Good that spring is warming. Imo, that is the worst season in Chicago




and here is some data for London and the UK
What is the highest snowthickness recorded in Chicago?
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Old 05-22-2017, 10:19 AM
 
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What is the highest snowthickness recorded in Chicago?

It was during the winter of 1978-79 when the city recorded it all-time deepest snow cover of 29 inches (73.7cm) on Jan. 14, 1979.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:16 AM
 
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People grow palm trees because they look nice, for the same reason that they grow roses, or camellias, or loquats, or whatever really.

Loquat fruit is delicious by the way. When do they ripen in the UK? Over here in the Southern US they are the first fruit in spring. When I was in Columbia SC in late January they were already visible on the tree but small.

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Old 05-22-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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CIDP trees are fine in London -it isn't THAT cold there .

They grow in Nice -where you wouldn't expect much else ,which i think is about 3,4 or 5 degrees milder in winter depending on time of day etc
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:53 AM
 
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CIDP trees are fine in London -it isn't THAT cold there .

They grow in Nice -where you wouldn't expect much else ,which i think is about 3,4 or 5 degrees milder in winter depending on time of day etc
CIDP are fine even in Madrid far from the sea at 650masl, just as loquats, just as Washingtonia palm trees (not sure if those ones grow in London as they need quite warmth if they receive cool or cold temps).

So yes, CIDP growing is not something exceptional. In Madrid some years they can get some light leaf damage on the leaf tips but they still fruit and grow big. I posted lots of photos of them in this forum btw.
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:56 AM
 
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Madrid is warmer and sunnier year round than London. CIDPs should be doing better there than in London.
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Old 05-22-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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CIDP are fine even in Madrid far from the sea at 650masl, just as loquats, just as Washingtonia palm trees (not sure if those ones grow in London as they need quite warmth if they receive cool or cold temps).

So yes, CIDP growing is not something exceptional. In Madrid some years they can get some light leaf damage on the leaf tips but they still fruit and grow big. I posted lots of photos of them in this forum btw.

CIDP's are pretty tough. Washingtonia less so and will defoliate with temps in the -8C to -6C range. Even CIDP will defoliate with temps in the -9C range, especially if those temps are combined with a high temp below freezing. They usually recover though and will take two years to get a new full crown. Washingtonia will get new fronds by that summer and recover much quicker.
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