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London 51 61.45%
Helsinki 32 38.55%
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: York
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I agree. Who would have thought there are cities in England sunnier than all of the NE USA.
Lol Most of the UK is pretty cloudy, apart from parts of the south coast. I wonder how somewhere like Portsmouth fares against US cities during summer when using the same measurement.
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Lol Most of the UK is pretty cloudy, apart from parts of the south coast. I wonder how somewhere like Portsmouth fares against US cities during summer when using the same measurement.

Probably not that far off using percentage of sun. We have loads of pt. cloudy days here on the northeast coast. It is def sunnier in places like St. Louis and Chicago.

I take issue with B87 on this one because the Foster-Foskett machine used in the US would record sun hours on hazy days. It would start recording at 85W. Well if Philly averages 2500 hours with a machine that would start recording at 85W, how on earth would a city in the UK record a hundred hours more using a higher standard. That would mean we were quite a bit cloudier than England. Would be hard to believe based on just about everyone that has ever lived in both places and their perceptions of real sunshine hours. I have never met a single person from the UK that told me their town or locale was sunnier than here.
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Paris
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Because I can tell you there is a perception among some Americans that London is wet and cool all year round, or that it is foggy all the time.
I thought you were talking about people on this forum, my bad.
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Old 09-17-2013, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Heathrow's sunshine averages are measured at 120W/m2 now, but converted back to old CS measurements (as are all Met Office stations) before they are made public. Kew Gardens still uses CS and averages 1653 hours at 139.5W/m2 instead of 120, it would receive around 1917 hours if it recorded anything above 120.

Doesn't the Met Office list the conversion factors used? Are you sure electronic record more than C-S?
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Old 09-17-2013, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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London easily! Can't grow palm trees in Helsinki
Though I bet some people have tried


I choose Helsinki, nice climate , Basically a B climate versus a D.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:58 AM
 
Location: York
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Probably not that far off using percentage of sun. We have loads of pt. cloudy days here on the northeast coast. It is def sunnier in places like St. Louis and Chicago.

I take issue with B87 on this one because the Foster-Foskett machine used in the US would record sun hours on hazy days. It would start recording at 85W. Well if Philly averages 2500 hours with a machine that would start recording at 85W, how on earth would a city in the UK record a hundred hours more using a higher standard. That would mean we were quite a bit cloudier than England. Would be hard to believe based on just about everyone that has ever lived in both places and their perceptions of real sunshine hours. I have never met a single person from the UK that told me their town or locale was sunnier than here.
Without doubt Philly is sunnier than anywhere in the UK, especially London. There's something not quite right with what B87 posted. I'm not saying he's not telling the truth, I just don't believe it.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:08 AM
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Location: Norwich, UK
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Doesn't the Met Office list the conversion factors used? Are you sure electronic record more than C-S?
I haven't found their conversions, but I recall someone saying that the electronic readings are about 15% higher.
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Old 09-18-2013, 02:51 AM
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Location: Norwich, UK
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Sunshine values have increased in all the other European cities that switched from CS to electronic as well.

Also, I wasn't saying UK cities actually record 2600 hours of sun, just demonstrating that different recording thresholds will yield very different sunshine amounts.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:36 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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London climate sux and Helsinki sux more. London = D; Helsinki = D-
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Oh no, Helsinki's losing. Can I now whine that people don't even look at the averages and votes for London?
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