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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-01-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Lizard Lick, NC
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i agree with you, but realistically we can't indiscriminately draw a line on a map. it has to be bound by data in some way...
Yeah I know that for sure. I was trying to paint a picture of how it would look though.

 
Old 02-01-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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-Hardiness zone 7+
-Lacks a winter snowpack
-Summer is the longest season
-All months average above freezing.

I would divide subtropical climes into two categories: "warmer winter" subtropical and "cooler winter" subtropical. The former would include places such as Quanzhou in southern China and Brisbane, while the latter would include Richmond in the United States and Nanjing in China.

"Cooler winter" subtropical places may be considered continental to some, but IMO it should not be grouped with a quintessential continental climate like Ottawa's or a warmer one like that of Bridgeport, CT.

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Old 02-01-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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For me:

Warmest month mean >24C
Coldest month mean >12C

Something like that

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Old 02-01-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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For me:

Warmest month mean >24C
Coldest month mean >15C

Something like that
Mean of 15 c and up! That's almost tropical lmao that would kick out every Mediterranean climate and every us climate north of Orlando from being subtropical!
 
Old 02-01-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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Mean of 15 c and up! That's almost tropical lmao that would kick out every Mediterranean climate and every us climate north of Orlando from being subtropical!
Woops meant mean >12C in coldest month

That way you get rid of most places with high diurnal ranged in winter with nights close to freezing
 
Old 02-01-2016, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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Woops meant mean >12C in coldest month

That way you get rid of most places with high diurnal ranged in winter with nights close to freezing
So Pensacola is subtropical but Mobile 50 miles to the west isn't because nights are 1C colder (still nowhere near freezing)? That doesn't seem like a very sensible method.
 
Old 02-01-2016, 03:08 PM
 
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So Pensacola is subtropical but Mobile 50 miles to the west isn't because nights are 1C colder (still nowhere near freezing)? That doesn't seem like a very sensible method.
Well there are always going to be differences like that over short distances.

Subtropical climates should not average anywhere near freezing anyway, I consider even a mean of 10C to be pretty cool.

Lots of places in southern US have winter nights near freezing with days at 14C or 15C, but these places will get frequent freezes and I consider that to not be subtropical at all, hence 12C as a base for me
 
Old 02-01-2016, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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I consider even a mean of 10C to be pretty cool.
That's why it's called SUB-tropical as opposed to tropical.
 
Old 02-01-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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That's why it's called SUB-tropical as opposed to tropical.
Yes but tropical would be hot year round, a mean of 12C is still pretty cool (assuming 16C/8C)

If I lowered the threshold anymore, winters would start to be cold and then it wouldn't fit in with 'subtropical'
If a climate has cold winters and hot summers (like DC) then to me it is clearly continental
 
Old 02-01-2016, 03:20 PM
 
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That's why it's called SUB-tropical as opposed to tropical.
"sub" means close to, nothing close about a near freezing mean.
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