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View Poll Results: How warm must it at least be?
Warm summers with no variable snowpack in winter 33 19.64%
Hot summers with no variable snowpack in winter 50 29.76%
Chilly winters and warm summers 15 8.93%
Chilly winters and hot summers 29 17.26%
Not any of the above (please explain) 41 24.40%
Voters: 168. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-07-2016, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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For me personally, a subtropical climate can be defined in a couple of ways:

- anything between warm temperate and tropical
- anywhere plants have to adapt to summer more than they have to adapt to winter (I.e. Summer heat or drought is more of an issue for plant survival than winter cold)
- looking at plants, anywhere large broadleaf evergreen trees begin to appear
How do you define warm temperate?

 
Old 02-07-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: NYC
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How do you define warm temperate?
If a place is warm temperate it has a humid subtropical climate.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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If a place is warm temperate it has a humid subtropical climate.
What if a place that doesn't qualify as subtropical, has a warmer climate than somewhere like NYC. Is it warm temperate also?
 
Old 02-07-2016, 12:58 PM
 
Location: NYC
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What if a place that doesn't qualify as subtropical, has a warmer climate than somewhere like NYC. Is it warm temperate also?
Oops you are right. I forgot places that are warm temperate can have different climates like a mediterranean climate. But places that are warm temperate can come in a wide varieties of climates including humid subtropical.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Oops you are right. I forgot places that are warm temperate can have different climates like a mediterranean climate. But places that are warm temperate can come in a wide varieties of climates including humid subtropical.
Cfb climates as well -plenty of oceanic climates, that are warmer than the cooler subtropical climates.

Warm Temperate is really just a category, rather than a climate type.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 01:10 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Cfb climates as well -plenty of oceanic climates, that are warmer than the cooler subtropical climates.

Warm Temperate is really just a category, rather than a climate type.
Agreed
 
Old 02-07-2016, 01:11 PM
 
Location: C: Home R: Monroe CT, Climate:Dfa
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Subtropical Climate criteria.

1. Average temps must be above freezing for all 12 months. The lows can be below freezing but the highs need to be above freezing on average.
2. Summers must be hot and dry/wet.
3. Average temps need to be above 10°C 7-10 months of the year.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Subtropical Climate criteria.

1. Average temps must be above freezing for all 12 months. The lows can be below freezing but the highs need to be above freezing on average.
2. Summers must be hot and dry/wet.
3. Average temps need to be above 10°C 7-10 months of the year.
Sounds reasonable but I still have a tough time with
NYC , Philly, and even DC being considered subtropical.
Especially just after they just got dumped with almost two feet of snow.
I bet if I asked random people on the street in those cities,
most would say something like "Are you nuts? It's not Florida"

Subtropical starts somewhere in the Carolinas, maybe Virginia Beach.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Sounds reasonable but I still have a tough time with
NYC , Philly, and even DC being considered subtropical.
Especially just after they just got dumped with almost two feet of snow.
I bet if I asked random people on the street in those cities,
most would say something like "Are you nuts? It's not Florida"

Subtropical starts somewhere in the Carolinas, maybe Virginia Beach.
Very reasonable points made here but for a place to be subtropical snowfall shouldnt be much of a deciding factor. In fact the first few days of Febuary in NYC, Philly and DC were in the upper 50s to mid 60s. They have even gotten in the 70s in some years. So they are definitely not humid continental, but humid subtropical. Also when we did get that snowstorm temperatures were near 30 degrees (not THAT cold). And their are other places that are colder than these three cities that recieve little if any snow.
 
Old 02-07-2016, 03:15 PM
 
Location: New York
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I agree that snowfall shouldn't be a deciding factor, I don't see the reasoning.
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