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View Poll Results: Which country has a larger subtropical zone?
United States 19 26.76%
China 52 73.24%
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:49 AM
B87
 
Location: Surrey/London
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In terms of averages a few degrees is a big deal too, if London's average summer highs were a few degrees higher people would consider the summers to be fairly hot, as opposed to 'cool' as many think they are...
True. Norfolk's average winter min is 1.3C, Portsmouth's is 5.1C, a difference of 3.8C. If you added 3.8C to London's summer averages, you'd get 24.8C in June, 27.3C in July, and 27.0C in August.
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Old 10-08-2013, 12:46 PM
 
Location: York
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The winter lows are cold in Virginia, but the days would feel warmer than here definitely. Winter in London is depressing, in fact it's the same in the entire UK.

Richmond would feel quite pleasant during the day in Jan with all that sun.
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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China goes much further south than the United States so I go for China based on the latitude
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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True. Norfolk's average winter min is 1.3C, Portsmouth's is 5.1C, a difference of 3.8C. If you added 3.8C to London's summer averages, you'd get 24.8C in June, 27.3C in July, and 27.0C in August.

5.1C? Not according to your Met Office. It is 3.33C for the avg min temp in Portsmouth in winter.

Weather and climate change - Met Office
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Old 10-08-2013, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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They look roughly the same to me under both Koeppen and Trewartha, but I'd give it to China since the summers are hotter there and the Chinese zone extends further south.
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Old 10-08-2013, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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True. Norfolk's average winter min is 1.3C, Portsmouth's is 5.1C, a difference of 3.8C. If you added 3.8C to London's summer averages, you'd get 24.8C in June, 27.3C in July, and 27.0C in August.

Actually comparing winter mean temps between Norfolk and Portsmouth (UK) Norfolk is actually ever so slightly warmer overall in winter. The mean high low for Norfolk is 10.6C/1.4C vs 8.4C/3.3C. Norfolk mean 6.0C vs 5.9C for Portsmouth.

This is based on 1981-2010 temps. Of course Portsmouth won't have the huge swings nor the more colder lows. But it also will not have sun a lot higher in the sky with warmer days.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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London is not cold at all in the winter. I can say that form personal experience. I was traveling to India using British Airways in December. I left my coat in NYC by accident and thought I would be fked once I reached London. To my surprise, it was 50 F, and I was comfortable in short sleeves outside. Granted I only spent 10 minutes outside.
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Old 10-08-2013, 06:20 PM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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But when you consider Virginia's stronger and more abundant sunshine, which makes it feel even warmer, it'd be hard to choose against it, for me at least. And I don't mind that Virginia's nights are slightly cooler, I'm outside during the day.
Agree...I would take a winter in Richmond or Va Beach before a winter anywhere in the UK. Who cares what the temp is at 5;00 am. I want warm temps in the middle of the day.

Winter IS dreary is the UK, there are few warm days, and it's often blustery. I was in London in December 10 years ago and it was one of the worst weather week I ever had (Iceland was better in November).

Also, the sun is much stronger near 37 - 38 latitude in Virginia than it would be up in the UK (52 latitude). Even if there was full sun in Dec-Feb in the UK (which there often is not) its so weak you can barley feel it.
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Old 10-08-2013, 09:36 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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We don't learn much about climate in school, that's for certain. You'd be highly unlikely to run into someone who has learnt the definition of tropical, let alone sub-tropical.

Your coldest month could have an average high of less than 20 degrees and an average low of barely 16 degrees, and your climate would be tropical.

Sub
-tropical means that the coldest month averages above -3° and the hottest month averages above 22°. This means there are places here in Canada (At least 42 degrees north) that have humid subtropical climates. -3° might make you shiver, but to us, that's a quite mild winter climate. If it thaws on a regular basis during winter, that's not what I would call a cold climate.

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Old 10-08-2013, 11:02 PM
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Location: Surrey/London
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5.1C? Not according to your Met Office. It is 3.33C for the avg min temp in Portsmouth in winter.

Weather and climate change - Met Office
Portsmouth's average low in December is 5.9C, 5.1C in Jan and 4.3C in Feb.

Portsmouth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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