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Old 10-25-2013, 04:00 PM
 
Location: New York City
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My reason: because sometimes words have a connotation in common language that differs from a scientific definition/concept. The word "subtropical" invokes the imagery of palm trees, holiday resorts, etc, which is very distracting when trying to define something in terms of temperature ranges and criteria.

Second reason: there is a huge amount of diversity in climate types between different continents and locations. Further, "sub-tropical" by definition is a transitional zone - not really tropical, and not really temperate either. It's always difficult to put your finger on a something like that.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Niagara Falls, ON
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Köppen's is definitely flawed, as is Trewartha's and many others. The climates I admire are for the actual climates themselves and not their classifications.

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Cut me some slack, it's not like I'm a reg on anything.
I was joking.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Melbourne Australia
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Simple answer to this question...


Because cold lovers think that places that get snow in winter but are warm-hot in summer are subtropical and the heat lovers call bull crap on that.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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^^ infamous certainly is not a cold lover, and he seems to care more than anyone else. I couldn't care less to be frank.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Hanau, Germany
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If Koppen hadn't used the term Subtropical to describe Cfa, this debate wouldn't happen.
Keep in mind that Köppen did not call all Cfa climates subtropical. He only used the term "subtropical" when he classified his climates (Cfa, Dwb etc.) into other existing classifications. Hettner's classification for example contains a warm-temperate continental zone and a subtropical zone, Köppen only said that Cfa climates belong to this two categories.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Melbourne Australia
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^^ infamous certainly is not a cold lover, and he seems to care more than anyone else. I couldn't care less to be frank.
Question is whether or not he thinks NY is subtropical
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Because the idea of a "subtropical" climate is highly subjective. NYC being classified subtropical under the Koppen system is really pushing the boundaries of credibility though.

Personally my own thoughts on a subtropical classification intuitively align more to latitudinal location more than the criteria of one of the climate category systems. I think of the subtropics as somewhere nearer to the Tropic of Cancer/Capricorn, so these climates generally aren't significantly different to an equatorial climate for me other than the fact they often have a cooler, drier season.
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Old 10-25-2013, 05:53 PM
 
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I agree, NYC should not be subtropical. More like temperate.

A good guideline is that if your climate has 7 to 11 months with a high above 20 C, you live in a subtropical zone. Basically from Central FL to just south of DC.
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Old 10-25-2013, 06:07 PM
 
Location: New York
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^^ infamous certainly is not a cold lover, and he seems to care more than anyone else. I couldn't care less to be frank.
I really don't care, to be honest. Occasionally the topic interests me, but mainly because my climate has a tendency to be brought up.

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Question is whether or not he thinks NY is subtropical
NY is what it is, whether that's tropical, arid, arctic, etc. it doesn't really make a difference at the end of the day.
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Old 10-25-2013, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Northville, MI
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Ideally, subtropical itself should be divided into 2 zones. Cool winter subtropical and warm winter subtropical. The former would include Any locality with winter high temperatures between 41 F-55 F. Cities in this region include Baltimore, DC, Louisville, St Louis, Nashville, Raleigh, Atlanta, Memphis, OKC, and Richmond. The latter would include Any location with winter temperatures between 55-69 F. Cities in this list include Jacksonville, Houston, Dallas, New Orleans, Orlando, Columbia, Birmingham, Austin, Savannah, and San Antonio. Anything north is Continental, and south is tropical.
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