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I didn't think Madrid was as mild in winter as it is. For the latitude and altitude, the average minimums are very mild -could be a heat island thing happening.
I would guess Madrid, as the Wiki page doesn't show a temperature above 15C for London in December.
The wiki pages for both are not very accurate - London for example has reached 18C in every winter month, and even 65F (19C) in February. I also doubt that Madrid's record lows are as high as they are on wiki.
The problem lies, I think, with the fact that on wikipedia the data shown is just for one station and not the city as a whole
Despite being Mediterranean, Madrid is slightly continental due to is inland location and high altitude. Its average winter low is at 2C. Its record low was -10C. So obviously, a low of -8 will not be unheard of.
London barely reaches 13C in the winter, correct me if I'm wrong.
Despite being Mediterranean, Madrid is slightly continental due to is inland location and high altitude. Its average winter low is at 2C. Its record low was -10C. So obviously, a low of -8 will not be unheard of.
London barely reaches 13C in the winter, correct me if I'm wrong.
It's just a Mediterranean climate at altitude. The winters are far too mild to be considered continental. I get colder minimums at sea level, than Madrid does. It's yearly range isn't that great either.
I think all climates at altitude, should just be considered as colder versions of their lowland neighbours. This business of calling some places Oceanic(for example) because they're at altitude, is just a copout by lazy climatologists, who are in a hurry to get home and stuff their face with pie.
Despite being Mediterranean, Madrid is slightly continental due to is inland location and high altitude. Its average winter low is at 2C. Its record low was -10C. So obviously, a low of -8 will not be unheard of.
London barely reaches 13C in the winter, correct me if I'm wrong.
London does reach 13C quite often, 2 days in the past week here reached 13C. Christmas Eve last year was 15C. Anything above that becomes much rarer, but 18/19C has been recorded in each winter month in London so it is possible.
I have to agree with you though, Madrid is probably more likely. it is bases inland at altitude and is cold in winter
Ahh that was the site exactly, thank you!
Yes that seems about right, seeing as England is closer to the continent and further away from the warming of the Atlantic!
The main reason why Scotland and Wales have the records for Jan and Feb is because of the Fohn effect on temperatures on the northern side of high ground, not because England is closer to the continent. Most of England is still warmer on average than the Moray Firth and low-lying areas in the northwestern highlands, where these records are often set. Although North-Western Wales is very mild.
When you compare data from big cities you must take into account that there must be more than a single weather station.
In case of Madrid, the data comes from Retiro, where the lowest ever is -10.4C. Wikipedia gives the right data for this. However, Barajas Airport has recorded -15.2C.
The extremes from London-Greenwich seems to be limited to a short period, so there are records missing. Extremes will also be different among Greenwich, Gatwick and Heathrow.
It's just a Mediterranean climate at altitude. The winters are far too mild to be considered continental. I get colder minimums at sea level, than Madrid does. It's yearly range isn't that great either.
I think all climates at altitude, should just be considered as colder versions of their lowland neighbours. This business of calling some places Oceanic(for example) because they're at altitude, is just a copout by lazy climatologists, who are in a hurry to get home and stuff their face with pie.
Madrid is considered to be a Mediterranean climate with continental influences.
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