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Old 11-21-2017, 09:14 PM
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Location: Reading, England
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For a while Portugal was in the Central European Time Zone, so they had the same crazy time anomalies that northwestern Spain has today.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:39 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Van Horn, TX despite being at 105W, which should be the geographic median of Mountain Time (GMT -7/-6 DT), is in fact in Central Time (GMT -6/-5 DT), so their late sunset is at 9:07pm and early sunrise is at 6:55am; while their early sunset is at 5:56pm and their late sunrise is at 8:18am; all despite being at 31N latitude
Same deal with Midland, TX though not as bad since it's about 200 miles east of Van Horn. Waiting till well after 8am to see the sun before DST was pretty brutal but at least you still get to enjoy the sun after work even well into fall. At least this CST "inlet" that protrudes into MST is in West Texas which means length of day variations will be relatively small.. it would be even more extreme if this occurred in a more northern state.

Living here, sunrise and sunset times without DST feels more like most other major cities during DST.
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Old 11-22-2017, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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Van Horn, TX despite being at 105W, which should be the geographic median of Mountain Time (GMT -7/-6 DT), is in fact in Central Time (GMT -6/-5 DT), so their late sunset is at 9:07pm and early sunrise is at 6:55am; while their early sunset is at 5:56pm and their late sunrise is at 8:18am; all despite being at 31N latitude
I don't see what's wrong with these times
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Old 11-22-2017, 05:07 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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I don't see what's wrong with these times
They are late in the day by 1 hour for a place that is only 7.5 latitude outside the tropics.

A good comparison would be McComb, MS, which is at the same latitude, and at 90 W longitude, right at the geographic center of Central Time (GMT -6/-5 DT)

Late Sunrise 7:20am
Late Sunset 8:10pm
Early Sunrise 5:57am
Early Sunset 4:58pm

That is more typical for 31 latitude
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Old 11-22-2017, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Same deal with Midland, TX though not as bad since it's about 200 miles east of Van Horn. Waiting till well after 8am to see the sun before DST was pretty brutal but at least you still get to enjoy the sun after work even well into fall. At least this CST "inlet" that protrudes into MST is in West Texas which means length of day variations will be relatively small.. it would be even more extreme if this occurred in a more northern state.

Living here, sunrise and sunset times without DST feels more like most other major cities during DST.
The closest example I can think to that is Malheur County, Oregon. Due to proximity to Boise, ID, the northern 70% of the county is in Mountain Time (GMT -7/-6 DT)

Late Sunrise: 8:30am
Late Sunset: 9:35pm
Early Sunrise: 6:04am
Early Sunset: 5:09pm

Those are for Ontario, OR; which is at 44N 117W
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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They are late in the day by 1 hour for a place that is only 7.5 latitude outside the tropics.

A good comparison would be McComb, MS, which is at the same latitude, and at 90 W longitude, right at the geographic center of Central Time (GMT -6/-5 DT)

Late Sunrise 7:20am
Late Sunset 8:10pm
Early Sunrise 5:57am
Early Sunset 4:58pm

That is more typical for 31 latitude
yeah, I understand. Still, it's not like it makes a major difference in the end, also because at such a low latitude there is not that much difference between summer and winter. I also have a bias towards later sunrises / sunsets, a 9pm sunset does not shock me in the least (that's our latest sunset almost exactly at 44N and we're in the middle of the time zone as well), but I suppose a 8 am late sunrise in winter might shock some people in the South, I don't know.
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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The closest example I can think to that is Malheur County, Oregon. Due to proximity to Boise, ID, the northern 70% of the county is in Mountain Time (GMT -7/-6 DT)

Late Sunrise: 8:30am
Late Sunset: 9:35pm
Early Sunrise: 6:04am
Early Sunset: 5:09pm

Those are for Ontario, OR; which is at 44N 117W
Those are near perfect, IMO. Ours are pretty much 30 minutes earlier, and they're too early for me. I went out to the bank at 5:15 pm tonight and it was pitch dark already. We still have a month to go before winter solstice
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Old 11-23-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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Those are near perfect, IMO. Ours are pretty much 30 minutes earlier, and they're too early for me. I went out to the bank at 5:15 pm tonight and it was pitch dark already. We still have a month to go before winter solstice
The good news is that everyone is just about at the early sunset for the year. Ours only gets two minutes earlier than it is now before it starts getting later again

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Old 11-23-2017, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Bologna, Italy
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The good news is that everyone is just about at the early sunrise for the year. Ours only gets two minutes earlier than it is now before it starts getting later again
You mean the sunset, right ? Because the sunrise will be 30 minutes later here within a month, whereas the sunset will actually be only 2 minutes earlier.
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Old 11-23-2017, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Downtown Phoenix, AZ
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You mean the sunset, right ? Because the sunrise will be 30 minutes later here within a month, whereas the sunset will actually be only 2 minutes earlier.
Yes I meant sunset
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