The US South is subtropical paradise (places, frost, degree, sunny)
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Here is what I posted an another thread, depicting the lush paradise of the US South. Americans are lucky to have such a paradise right inside their boundaries.
Just as expected; once again, people have misconceptions about the climate of the South, and again make weak straw-man arguments about how it somehow "lacks" the subtropicalness of other subtropical regions (even though in reality, the South is one of the warmest of subtropical regions). So I will address the misconceptions:<snip>
Now, besides for purposes of trolling, what was the purpose of your other thread about making climate modification in order to protect the South? If the South was so warm, and cold snaps so rare as you imply, then why the need for climate modification at all? From my POV, you are just trolling your Southern climate obsession. Why? There is no need to "pimp out" the region you chose to live in
Keep denying the TRUTH that the deep south has a humid continental climate that is basically a warmer version of Northern Ontario's climate.
This statement is partially true. I keep saying the South has a continental climate, just a warm version of it. The summers are much warmer than the winters, even though the avg winter temps are mild.
Just as expected; once again, people have misconceptions about the climate of the South, and again make weak straw-man arguments about how it somehow "lacks" the subtropicalness of other subtropical regions (even though in reality, the South is one of the warmest of subtropical regions). So I will address the misconceptions:
Misconception 1.)The South is very unstable during the winter.
BS. The South is actually pretty stable during winter. Yes, it has variation during winter, but ALL subtropical regions on EARTH get variation of some sort during the winter, whether you are in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, or Africa. But what they all have in common is the fact that the variation is not much compared to the continental climates.
Misconception 2.) The South can get quite cold for its latitude.
False. The South compares to Northern India/North Africa on how utterly warm it is during winter. The South is so warm, that it even contains a tropical region outside the tropics(South Florida), and you can even grow coconuts in the region (The Texas Coast and Central/South Florida), something not even North Africa, and North India can do. This is because the South has the tropical winter days rare in other subtropical regions, where lows, even in January, can exceed 60F. I concede, through, that inland areas of the South, such as the Appalachian region, can get winters to the magnitude of that seen in the North, but everything I said earlier applies 100% for the Coastal South. Florida is not the only state with warm winters in the South.
Record lows only appear extreme due to the fact that American technology is very advanced compared to other places in the world, meaning that the equipment is very sensitive. Also, the South is under a cold epoch at this time; during a warmer epoch, 365 growing seasons existed as far north as Cairo, Illinois. The existence of such warmth coincided with the rise and fall of the mound-building Native American societies in North America. Thus, growing zones of 10A and above at one point, existed in large areas of the South.
If the south really was extremely prone to cold compared to other subtropical regions, then the Southern plantations, which grew all sorts of cash crops like peanuts, rice, sugarcane, etc, would not have existed. Today, many coastal southern cities can grow lots of the subtropical plants seen in other subtropical areas on Earth, like CIDPs, Washingtonias, sagos, citrus, and many subtropical cash crops can be grown commercially in the region.
Misconception 3.) The South receives snow more often than other subtropical regions.
People who make such a claim are being intellectually dishonest, since the claim is an example of a "misleading statistics" logical fallacy; for example, you extrapolate an average of "snow every 5 yrs" for the South, since it snowed a certain number of times in a given time interval, ignoring the fact of how the snow was distributed. For example, there could have been one bad year where it snowed some times in the South, but the region can then go a century without any winter weather whatsoever. Also, a region that receives snow is not necessarily colder than a region that doesn't; the Weddell Peninsula in Antarctica receives the most snow out of all the areas of the continent, even though it is the warmest region. Snow, therefore, has more to do with moisture, than with severe cold.
Misconception 4.) The South receives severe weather, and the weather is unbearable much of the year.
This only applies to the area of the South well into the continent, such as Northern Alabama. The Coastal South can see lots of dramatic thunderstorms, but such storms are the non-severe type, akin to those of the tropics, rather than the severe super-cell storms that produce hail, and tornadoes. Lots of people mention hurricanes, ignoring the fact that hurricanes are one of the safest of natural disasters, since you have days in advance to prepare, and the only real damage comes from the storm surge at the immediate coastline; this is how you have hurricane parties, as hurricanes are considered fun to watch. Hurricane Katrina, for example, was only deadly due to the breaking levees, not because it was very powerful. The South is hot and humid in the summer yes, but that's the same for many subtropical regions on Earth. Also, the tropics have heat and humidity year-round, and yet people still label those places as paradise. At least subtropical regions have a cool down.
With the misconceptions addressed, hopefully people will make less straw-mans, and foolish claims regarding the subtropicalness of the South. Seriously, claiming that the South is humid continental like the north? Must be the side-effects of some really serious drugs. The South is subtropical paradise, with humid warmth, and awesome, yet non-severe, thunderstorms with good lightning shows during the warm season, and peaceful, lukewarm weather during the cool season (with some tropical winter days thrown in as well). The subtropical regime of the South has many traits that give people all sorts of wet dreams.
Wow. Wouldn't even know where to start. Your silly assertion about this "cold epoch" I assume you just made up out of not one shred of evidence or data to backup this absurd claim.
What is your point in this lame exercise? You haven't changed the mind of one person on here. Why don't you travel around the country giving presentations to northern cities about this supposed "southern subtropical paradise" and see how far that gets you. Most people in Philadelphia would laugh you out of the room. They drive south every winter heading to Florida and go right by this wondrous paradise of yours without even stopping for more than an hour lol.
Just as expected; once again, people have misconceptions about the climate of the South, and again make weak straw-man arguments about how it somehow "lacks" the subtropicalness of other subtropical regions (even though in reality, the South is one of the warmest of subtropical regions). So I will address the misconceptions:
Misconception 1.)The South is very unstable during the winter.
BS. The South is actually pretty stable during winter. Yes, it has variation during winter, but ALL subtropical regions on EARTH get variation of some sort during the winter, whether you are in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, or Africa. But what they all have in common is the fact that the variation is not much compared to the continental climates.
Misconception 2.) The South can get quite cold for its latitude.
False. The South compares to Northern India/North Africa on how utterly warm it is during winter. The South is so warm, that it even contains a tropical region outside the tropics(South Florida), and you can even grow coconuts in the region (The Texas Coast and Central/South Florida), something not even North Africa, and North India can do. This is because the South has the tropical winter days rare in other subtropical regions, where lows, even in January, can exceed 60F. I concede, through, that inland areas of the South, such as the Appalachian region, can get winters to the magnitude of that seen in the North, but everything I said earlier applies 100% for the Coastal South. Florida is not the only state with warm winters in the South.
Record lows only appear extreme due to the fact that American technology is very advanced compared to other places in the world, meaning that the equipment is very sensitive. Also, the South is under a cold epoch at this time; during a warmer epoch, 365 growing seasons existed as far north as Cairo, Illinois. The existence of such warmth coincided with the rise and fall of the mound-building Native American societies in North America. Thus, growing zones of 10A and above at one point, existed in large areas of the South.
If the south really was extremely prone to cold compared to other subtropical regions, then the Southern plantations, which grew all sorts of cash crops like peanuts, rice, sugarcane, etc, would not have existed. Today, many coastal southern cities can grow lots of the subtropical plants seen in other subtropical areas on Earth, like CIDPs, Washingtonias, sagos, citrus, and many subtropical cash crops can be grown commercially in the region.
Misconception 3.) The South receives snow more often than other subtropical regions.
People who make such a claim are being intellectually dishonest, since the claim is an example of a "misleading statistics" logical fallacy; for example, you extrapolate an average of "snow every 5 yrs" for the South, since it snowed a certain number of times in a given time interval, ignoring the fact of how the snow was distributed. For example, there could have been one bad year where it snowed some times in the South, but the region can then go a century without any winter weather whatsoever. Also, a region that receives snow is not necessarily colder than a region that doesn't; the Weddell Peninsula in Antarctica receives the most snow out of all the areas of the continent, even though it is the warmest region. Snow, therefore, has more to do with moisture, than with severe cold.
Misconception 4.) The South receives severe weather, and the weather is unbearable much of the year.
This only applies to the area of the South well into the continent, such as Northern Alabama. The Coastal South can see lots of dramatic thunderstorms, but such storms are the non-severe type, akin to those of the tropics, rather than the severe super-cell storms that produce hail, and tornadoes. Lots of people mention hurricanes, ignoring the fact that hurricanes are one of the safest of natural disasters, since you have days in advance to prepare, and the only real damage comes from the storm surge at the immediate coastline; this is how you have hurricane parties, as hurricanes are considered fun to watch. Hurricane Katrina, for example, was only deadly due to the breaking levees, not because it was very powerful. The South is hot and humid in the summer yes, but that's the same for many subtropical regions on Earth. Also, the tropics have heat and humidity year-round, and yet people still label those places as paradise. At least subtropical regions have a cool down.
With the misconceptions addressed, hopefully people will make less straw-mans, and foolish claims regarding the subtropicalness of the South. Seriously, claiming that the South is humid continental like the north? Must be the side-effects of some really serious drugs. The South is subtropical paradise, with humid warmth, and awesome, yet non-severe, thunderstorms with good lightning shows during the warm season, and peaceful, lukewarm weather during the cool season (with some tropical winter days thrown in as well). The subtropical regime of the South has many traits that give people all sorts of wet dreams.
I live in Alabama and, well, this is mighty potent crack you're smoking. I mean, if you're talking about a tiny sliver along the Gulf Coast as well as Florida, then sure. But the rest of the region? While it's not Minnesota, it has cool (Often cold) DAMP winters. Thunderstorms, hurricanes, ice storms, snow, hail, you name it. Hell, last winter, we had sunshine, tornados, a virtual monsoon, and an ice storm within a matter of days.
Misconception 1.)The South is very unstable during the winter.
BS. The South is actually pretty stable during winter. Yes, it has variation during winter, but ALL subtropical regions on EARTH get variation of some sort during the winter, whether you are in Europe, South America, Asia, Australia, or Africa. But what they all have in common is the fact that the variation is not much compared to the continental climates.
Only the US South winters have temps at 25C (77F) today and around 5C (41F) the next week. This atrocity hasn't occurred in Australia, Asia nor Africa!
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Misconception 2.) The South can get quite cold for its latitude.
False. The South compares to Northern India/North Africa on how utterly warm it is during winter. The South is so warm, that it even contains a tropical region outside the tropics(South Florida), and you can even grow coconuts in the region (The Texas Coast and Central/South Florida), something not even North Africa, and North India can do. This is because the South has the tropical winter days rare in other subtropical regions, where lows, even in January, can exceed 60F. I concede, through, that inland areas of the South, such as the Appalachian region, can get winters to the magnitude of that seen in the North, but everything I said earlier applies 100% for the Coastal South. Florida is not the only state with warm winters in the South.
Austin and Atlanta (which are around 30'S-33'S) see snow for Christ's sake! Even Melbourne, at 37'S, doesn't see snow!
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Misconception 3.) The South receives snow more often than other subtropical regions.
People who make such a claim are being intellectually dishonest, since the claim is an example of a "misleading statistics" logical fallacy; for example, you extrapolate an average of "snow every 5 yrs" for the South, since it snowed a certain number of times in a given time interval, ignoring the fact of how the snow was distributed. For example, there could have been one bad year where it snowed some times in the South, but the region can then go a century without any winter weather whatsoever. Also, a region that receives snow is not necessarily colder than a region that doesn't; the Weddell Peninsula in Antarctica receives the most snow out of all the areas of the continent, even though it is the warmest region. Snow, therefore, has more to do with moisture, than with severe cold.
You're repeating your points. Read above.
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Misconception 4.) The South receives severe weather, and the weather is unbearable much of the year..
I live in Alabama and, well, this is mighty potent crack you're smoking. I mean, if you're talking about a tiny sliver along the Gulf Coast as well as Florida, then sure. But the rest of the region? While it's not Minnesota, it has cool (Often cold) DAMP winters. Thunderstorms, hurricanes, ice storms, snow, hail, you name it. Hell, last winter, we had sunshine, tornados, a virtual monsoon, and an ice storm within a matter of days.
Yeah if he's not a troll he's smoking some illegal substances lol. I had some form of wintry precipitation fall about a dozen times in my backyard last winter, with it accreting/accumulating at least half of those times and places all around me saw even more than that. Went from single digit temps to thunderstorms in a matter of 4 days in early January!
Only in the South winters, the temps can be 25C (77F) today and around 5C (41F) the next week. This atrocity hasn't occurred in Australia, Asia nor Africa!
Austin and Atlanta (which are around 30'S-33'S) see snow for Christ's sake! Even Melbourne, at 37'S, doesn't see snow!
You're repeating your points. Read above.
Refer to my first statement on this post.
Just to underscore your point, January in Birmingham, Alabama, had a high temperature of 65F (18C) on January 11 and a low temperature of 5F (-15C) four days earlier on January 7. In February, the highest temperature was 72F (22C) on the 23rd and 20F (-6C) on the 27th, four days later. In short, Birmingham and other cities on that latitude get whipsawed in December, January, February, and a good bit of March between mild and frigid temperatures. And I once had a 20 inches of snow in the middle of March.
At the same time, we've had multiple F5 tornados roar through our northwestern suburbs, hurricanes blow inland from the Gulf, derechos come streaking in out of the plains. Heck, just last week, we had 5.5 inches of rain in a night followed by an additional two inches a few days later.
During the summer, we see temperatures as high as 107F (41C) with daily thunderstorms, although more typical summer temperatures are in the mid 90s.
Anybody want to dispute that Alabama is NOT part of the South?
Hey, I love where I live. But weather is unpredictable, not paradisiacal. I simply cannot believe anyone would make that claim.
Now, besides for purposes of trolling, what was the purpose of your other thread about making climate modification in order to protect the South? If the South was so warm, and cold snaps so rare as you imply, then why the need for climate modification at all? From my POV, you are just trolling your Southern climate obsession. Why? There is no need to "pimp out" the region you chose to live in
That thread was obviously a joke; It was a satire designed to poke fun at all you people who make the South out to be this "extreme continental climate."
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Originally Posted by tom77falcons
Wow. Wouldn't even know where to start. Your silly assertion about this "cold epoch" I assume you just made up out of not one shred of evidence or data to backup this absurd claim.
What is your point in this lame exercise? You haven't changed the mind of one person on here. Why don't you travel around the country giving presentations to northern cities about this supposed "southern subtropical paradise" and see how far that gets you. Most people in Philadelphia would laugh you out of the room. They drive south every winter heading to Florida and go right by this wondrous paradise of yours without even stopping for more than an hour lol.
I would start by reading up on the advanced mound-building Native American societies that lived in North America in centuries past, around the Mississippi Valley Region. Their existence consided with a warm period in North America to the point that even Cairo, Illinois had a very long growing season. There also is no empirical evidence, or scientific text out there to back up the claim that the South sees extremes more often than any subtropical climate.
If what you say is true, then it appears that you people in Philidelphia need to broaden your horizons. Multiple cities in the Coastal South are have growing populations of snowbirds from the North, not just Florida. Why do you think New Orleans had the Canadian and European populations you speak of? Why do you think H-Town is poised to overtake Chicago as the 3rd largest city. Because both cities have warm, subtropical climates with lots of sun, and mild winters.
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Originally Posted by cpg35223
I live in Alabama and, well, this is mighty potent crack you're smoking. I mean, if you're talking about a tiny sliver along the Gulf Coast as well as Florida, then sure. But the rest of the region? While it's not Minnesota, it has cool (Often cold) DAMP winters. Thunderstorms, hurricanes, ice storms, snow, hail, you name it. Hell, last winter, we had sunshine, tornados, a virtual monsoon, and an ice storm within a matter of days.
As stated before, the part of the South away from the ocean has legitimately cold winters; I guess I should've been more clear; when I said that the South was subtropical paradise, I was refering more to areas in the region in proximity to the coast.
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Originally Posted by theropod
Only the US South winters have temps at 25C (77F) today and around 5C (41F) the next week. This atrocity hasn't occurred in Australia, Asia nor Africa!
Austin and Atlanta (which are around 30'S-33'S) see snow for Christ's sake! Even Melbourne, at 37'S, doesn't see snow!
You're repeating your points. Read above.
Refer to my first statement on this post.
It is not normal for the US South to see variations that high. In normal winters, variations still occur, but still within the range seen in other subtropical climates. Look at the recorded temps for Buenos Aires last winter; it had variations.
Austin and Atlanta are far inland, and above sea level, while Melbourne is on the coast, of course the two cities would see more snow.
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Originally Posted by cpg35223
Just to underscore your point, January in Birmingham, Alabama, had a high temperature of 65F (18C) on January 11 and a low temperature of 5F (-15C) four days earlier on January 7. In February, the highest temperature was 72F (22C) on the 23rd and 20F (-6C) on the 27th, four days later. In short, Birmingham and other cities on that latitude get whipsawed in December, January, February, and a good bit of March between mild and frigid temperatures. And I once had a 20 inches of snow in the middle of March.
At the same time, we've had multiple F5 tornados roar through our northwestern suburbs, hurricanes blow inland from the Gulf, derechos come streaking in out of the plains. Heck, just last week, we had 5.5 inches of rain in a night followed by an additional two inches a few days later.
During the summer, we see temperatures as high as 107F (41C) with daily thunderstorms, although more typical summer temperatures are in the mid 90s.
Anybody want to dispute that Alabama is NOT part of the South?
Hey, I love where I live. But weather is unpredictable, not paradisiacal. I simply cannot believe anyone would make that claim.
Birmingham is well into the continent, and is quite a bit above sea level, so you will see some craziness with the weather. But go to Mobile, Grand Bay, Dauphin Island, Gulf Shores, etc, and you wont see such craziness.
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