Unhappy Thread II (Chicago, cities, world, degree)
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I do think some people deserve the death penalty, prisons in the UK are like holiday camps compared to prisons in the US, why should someone who raped then killed children be allowed to live out the rest of their days in a secure environment where they have their own cell, a TV & are allowed to grow vegetables in the prison garden? Prisons in the UK are no deterrent to ANY criminals...
I do think some people deserve the death penalty, prisons in the UK are like holiday camps compared to prisons in the US, why should someone who raped then killed children be allowed to live out the rest of their days in a secure environment where they have their own cell, a TV & are allowed to grow vegetables in the prison garden? Prisons in the UK are no deterrent to ANY criminals...
Have you seen Norwegian prisons? Prisoners there live in holiday camp environments, not in dingy cells with little natural light or some filthy toilet next to their bed, but Norway has the highest rehabilitation rate in the world and by far one of the lowest incarceration rates - not to mention a very low homicide rate (2011 excluded).
Really - people here bleat on about prisons being cushy, and how we should model our prisons after the US - but the US is not a model country. Their cities are dangerous and suffer from frequent murders. No, I don't believe their system is enviable. Prisons there are all about punishment and not about rehabilitation, even when it comes to small-time offenders. In any case, the primary goal should be to prevent people from doing these things in the first place, and places like Norway seem to excel at preventing people from becoming criminals. Maybe other places should take note.
I do think some people deserve the death penalty, prisons in the UK are like holiday camps compared to prisons in the US, why should someone who raped then killed children be allowed to live out the rest of their days in a secure environment where they have their own cell, a TV & are allowed to grow vegetables in the prison garden? Prisons in the UK are no deterrent to ANY criminals...
Well if that's the case why don't you go and commit a crime I see how great UK prisons are, I'm sure you'll be killing again!
Either the Nordic model is best, or people there are just less prone to becoming murderers. Maybe certain societies - such as American society - are inherently f*cked up and breed murderers like rabbits, and possibly for them, there is no hope, and they are doomed to fail.
It stops tax money going towards keeping someone in prison, and eliminates the risk of a repeat offence.
Why do some people want to protect the life of serial killers? What value do we gain by keeping them incarcerated? The punishment should fit the crime. If you kill (first degree) you die.
I wonder if those same people put this much energy in protecting the life of an unborn baby who hasn't killed anyone ?
And you can't compare tiny homogeneous nations like Sweden with the U.S. where we literally have third word conditions in parts of our cities where the vast majority of homicides occur
Why do some people want to protect the life of serial killers? What value do we gain by keeping them incarcerated? The punishment should fit the crime. If you kill (first degree) you die.
I wonder if those same people put this much energy in protecting the life of an unborn baby who hasn't killed anyone ?
And you can't compare tiny homogeneous nations like Sweden with the U.S. where we literally have third word conditions in parts of our cities where the vast majority of homicides occur
Sweden is not a tiny homogenous nation - tiny compared to the US, perhaps, but homogenous - not a chance. Over 15% of Sweden's population is foreign born, and it accepts over 40,000 asylum seekers every year. By comparison, the UK accepts under 30,000 a year despite having 63 million people compared to Sweden's 9 (nearly 10) million.
Unborn baby - I suspect you're trying to incite an argument, but no, I would not go out of my way to support the 'life' of an unborn fetus.
If you're so concerned about murderers, then sort out your mess. If large areas of your cities are literally third world, then sort it out. Get your damn sh*t together. People are often a product of their environment, and a significant percentage of Americans are living in a sh*tty environment surrounded by crime, poverty and despair. Killing these murderers will not solve the root problem of why certain people turn out like they do.
- In Finland, 95-98% of all murders gets solved. It's not a deterrence for ex-tempore murders, but for planned and OC murders it is
- The respect for the law enforcement. There is not a culture of "fu** the police" in the Nordics
- Due to this attitude, common people gladly rats out on criminals, helping the police
- Prisons are all about rehabilitation. 40-45% of all inmates ever return to prison again
- Overall safety in the society. Violent crime causes the police to distribute massive effort on it, as it is so rare
- Income equality. The situations, like muggings rarely become a matter of life and death
- Very strict gun laws. Flash an airsoft gun in a city, and you'll have a SWAT-team with assault guns upon you
- constant monitoring of OC. Bike gangs, mafia-style organisations and other are constantly under the radar
- overall effective police in small countries = crime doesn't become lucrative, and neither ratting dangerous
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