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Argentina can get some impressive cold for the southern hemisphere at low latitudes.
Santiago del Estero is located at 28S, and is quite a bit colder than Orlando, FL at the same latitude, and colder than Corpus Christi in TX in average temps.
At Santiago del Estero the record low is -9C for the years between 1970-90. Avg July temps for are 69/42F (not sure what period).
Orlando, FL record low since 1970 is 19F (-7C), and Brownsville, TX is 16F (-8.9C). Corpus Christi is slightly colder on the extreme at 13F (-10.6C), but not crazy colder.
Not only that, cold fronts come thru from Antarctica even in summer. The record lows in summer there are in the 40'sF. Simply unheard of in summer at same latitudes in the South.
On the Pampas west of Buenos Airies temps as low as 0F have been recorded in winter.
The southern hemisphere works differently to the northern hemisphere though due to far less landmass.. New Zealand would be much warmer if it was situated at the same latitude in the northern hemisphere for example.
The US south is not a subtropical paradise. It is simply too unreliable outside of summer, and prone to extreme cold that is not seen at those latitudes and many much further north apart from Asia (Asia is another wreck of a climate)
The Australian subtropics are a paradise, however.
From what I gather, you seem to think that the subtropics should be like Australia's. Not true. Australia is an exception to the norm, it is not "what it should be". Subtropical does not mean simply cooler than tropical. Should Tampico, Mexico; a city below the Tropic of Cancer at sea level, not be considered tropical because it has snowed there before? Nonsense
From what I gather, you seem to think that the subtropics should be like Australia's. Not true. Australia is an exception to the norm, it is not "what it should be". Subtropical does not mean simply cooler than tropical. Should Tampico, Mexico; a city below the Tropic of Cancer at sea level, not be considered tropical because it has snowed there before? Nonsense
Argentina can get some impressive cold for the southern hemisphere at low latitudes.
Santiago del Estero is located at 28S, and is quite a bit colder than Orlando, FL at the same latitude, and colder than Corpus Christi in TX in average temps.
At Santiago del Estero the record low is -9C for the years between 1970-90. Avg July temps for are 69/42F (not sure what period).
Orlando, FL record low since 1970 is 19F (-7C), and Brownsville, TX is 16F (-8.9C). Corpus Christi is slightly colder on the extreme at 13F (-10.6C), but not crazy colder.
Not only that, cold fronts come thru from Antarctica even in summer. The record lows in summer there are in the 40'sF. Simply unheard of in summer at same latitudes in the South.
On the Pampas west of Buenos Airies temps as low as 0F have been recorded in winter.
Santiago del Estero is 1000km inland and 200m in elevation! It's disingenuous to compare it to those coastal locations. A more apt comparison San Antonio, Texas, where the all-time record low is 0F (-18C); for summer months the record low is 48F (9C).
Santiago del Estero is 1000km inland and 200m in elevation! It's disingenuous to compare it to those coastal locations. A more apt comparison San Antonio, Texas, where the all-time record low is 0F (-18C); for summer months the record low is 48F (9C).
Those coastal locations have far more landmass to their north than anywhere in Argentina. And 200m is nothing. And you don't get to use a record low that is all time compared to one that only goes back to 1970. The record low in San Antonio since 1970 (Same as Santiago del Estero) is 6F in 1989, not 0. And the record low in July is 64F in 1970.
It is disingenuous of you to compare the entire record of one city against a different record period in another city.
The southern hemisphere works differently to the northern hemisphere though due to far less landmass.. New Zealand would be much warmer if it was situated at the same latitude in the northern hemisphere for example.
Not entirely correct. If NZ was in the Atlantic at the same latitude and distance from a major landmass, it would be warmer year round. If it was in the North Pacific, it would be colder during the winter and probably during summer as well.
Though the 50N location in question is far from being typical for its latitude. London is at least as much freakishly warm than Atlanta is Freakishly cold.
I'm nitpicking, but Nice Côte d'Azur averages 24.1°C in its warmest month, about 3°C warmer than Montréal Trudeau's 21.2°C
And London's freakiness is reinforced with the huge UHI, which hampers winter lows the most. If London would have 10k people, it would be significantly cooler.
I wouldn't say it's nitpicking. Helsinki and Bergen has a 3C difference in the warmest month, and Bergen's July highs are 4.9C cooler, a significant difference.
And London's freakiness is reinforced with the huge UHI, which hampers winter lows the most. If London would have 10k people, it would be significantly cooler.
Only if you use the central stations with 4-5c lows in winter. Heathrow isn't in the UHI.
Except Malta is not really subtropical, it's Mediterrean. We could nitpick on the subtropical category, but it's a completely different climate type from the humid subtropical climates. Different air mass dynamics, weather origins, very little in common. Although Europe has a few cases where humid subtropical climate that grade into Mediterrean climates (northern Italy, a few spots in southeastern Europe) both spots are borderline cases far from the usual of either climate type. And Malta isn't like them. The Mediterrean climate is normally a west side climate type, the [humid] subtropical is normally an east side climate type. You could just as well post that California is free cold snaps at similar latitudes to the US southeast, but of course it would be.
Well Mediterranean climates ARE sub-tropical, just a dry summer type. The OP didn't specify 'Humid sub-tropical' he stated that ALL sub-tropical climates around the world are prone to the same type of cold snaps that the US South gets, which simply isn't true...
And yes Malta has a sub-tropical Mediterranean climate, but it differs from many other places in that it also has a very humid climate, we get very high humidity & dew points here in the summer, comparable to the US South...
From what I gather, you seem to think that the subtropics should be like Australia's. Not true. Australia is an exception to the norm, it is not "what it should be". Subtropical does not mean simply cooler than tropical. Should Tampico, Mexico; a city below the Tropic of Cancer at sea level, not be considered tropical because it has snowed there before? Nonsense
I believe that a subtropical climate should be inbetween the tropical climates and temperate climates.
Cities that see regular snow are excluded from being subtropical, as in my opinion a subtropical climate should be a gap between tropical and temperate. Summers close to tropical and winters much warmer than the continental climates such as NYC, D.C that see regular snow and subfreezing lows.
Places such as New Orleans, Charleston etc are subtropical, but Atlanta I would not class as subtropical - their winters are pretty cold, but maybe it is an exception in the area due to elevation?
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