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View Poll Results: What do you think is the cause of recent global warming?
I think It's mostly man-made. 56 31.11%
I think It's mostly natural. 66 36.67%
I'm not sure. 11 6.11%
I think it's an equal combination of man and natural influences. 47 26.11%
Voters: 180. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-11-2015, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Key Biscayne, FL
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Did you guys see the latest? My God. NOAA couldn't take seeing "The Pause" or the cool down since 2000 which NASA admitted so they adjusted the data AGAIN!! This is out of hand now.

Don't worry.. NOAA's source is in this link. I will quote them here... More details with link..

NOAA Tampers With Data To Erase The Global Warming 'Hiatus' | The Daily Caller

Newly corrected and updated global surface temperature data from NOAA’s [National Centers for Environmental Information] do not support the notion of a global warming ‘hiatus,'”
This seems difficult to believe

 
Old 06-17-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Severe cold snap found in records of warm Cretaceous period.

Cretaceous Arctic: Interglacial Period With A Cold Snap

"The research team comes to the conclusion that there was a severe cold snap during the geological age known for its extreme greenhouse climate. "

"The Cretaceous, which occurred approximately 145 million to 66 million years ago, was one of the warmest periods in the history of the earth. The poles were devoid of ice and average temperatures of up to 35 degrees Celsius prevailed in the oceans. "A typical greenhouse climate; some even refer to it as a 'super greenhouse' ", "

"We have now found indications in the Arctic that this warm era 112 to 118 million years ago was interrupted for a period of about 6 million years."

"The polar regions are particularly sensitive to global climatic fluctuations."

 
Old 06-18-2015, 09:33 AM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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On NOAA's corrections, the new corrections place NOAA's dataset closer to the value of other datasets. Note the uncertainty range on all the trends, short-trem trends are uncertain; both continued global warming and no warming are within the uncertainties, though 2013 and 2014 weren't included). You can't site a trend without the uncertainty.

RealClimate: Debate in the noise

The corrections seem to involve sea surface temperatures. It's not a very big change.

RealClimate: NOAA temperature record updates and the ‘hiatus’
 
Old 06-24-2015, 06:46 PM
 
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JB makes a good point



https://twitter.com/bigjoebastardi/s...93463809671168
 
Old 06-24-2015, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Łódź, Poland
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Meanwhile: What's Really Warming the World? Climate deniers blame natural factors; NASA data proves otherwise
 
Old 06-24-2015, 07:07 PM
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Location: Tennessee
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Just getting your opinions, please, no heated arguments.

Do you think recent global warming was/is mostly man-made or mostly natural?
Good luck with the "no heated arguments" goal. Few things seem to get people more angry than somebody not just buying everything global warming that comes down the pipeline. I voted "not sure", because I find the question loaded, but didn't want to post with out at least adding to the poll.

For example, it's like asking the same questions about the recent solar minimum. "What is the cause of the recent changes in solar radiation?" Then including "mankind" as one possible answer. You might expect somebody to argue that such a poll is ridiculous. Except if we are talking about changes in sunlight at the surface of the planet, mankind could actually be a cause. So if the poll is actually about sunlight and air pollution, it could be valid.

Which is why global warming has to be defined before you can have a discussion, or poll, about it. anyone who refuses to define what they mean by global warming is putting the cart before the horse.

Which is more than enough to start a huge argument.
 
Old 06-24-2015, 07:12 PM
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Location: Tennessee
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I just go with the satellite data.
Even the satellite data shows the unexpected (and unexplained) asymmetric "climate change" which has become quite bothersome of late. How much (if any) is due to humankind and our changes to the natural world, is a very very important question. What does show up, even with heavily adjusted data, is that something strange is going on.

I want to know if it's even possible for mankind to be causing it. Consider the real question. If we, as a planet of human beings, wanted to change the very weather, the vast circulation patterns, the albedo, the cloudiness, precipitation and amount of sunlight, could we? (Have we?)

Isn't that the real question? (or questions)
 
Old 06-24-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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Satellite data indicated warming of about 0.11C per decade since 1979 with no statistical warming over the last 18 years

https://twitter.com/air2vent/status/601475707076780034
 
Old 06-24-2015, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Lol. Ok, forget the "Volcanoes emit less CO2 then humans" comment..

"No, it really is Greenhouse Gases" " Atmospheric CO2 levels are 40% higher than they were in 1750"

Now... Ask them how those CO2 levels were when the earth warmed in the past. Earth isn't 250yrs old!.

Then ask them to find the CO2 levels rising while Earh was "cooling"... Or does that not fit their cherry picking agenda reasoning?
 
Old 06-24-2015, 07:46 PM
 
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Yes, Co2 is warming the world.... Meanwhile after they "adjusted" the temperatures.... they got ride of the "pause/hiatus" that they so desperately tried to explain using natural factors


Climate change: The case of the missing heat
Sixteen years into the mysterious ‘global-warming hiatus’, scientists are piecing together an explanation.


Contribution of natural decadal variability to global warming acceleration and hiatus

Recent global-warming hiatus tied to equatorial Pacific surface cooling

Atlantic Ocean key to global-warming pause
Changing currents could be driving heat into the deep sea.


Indian Ocean may be key to global warming 'hiatus'
Upper ocean may be storing heat, giving atmosphere a brea
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