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View Poll Results: Wich place is more subtropical ?
Atlanta 55 61.80%
Rome 34 38.20%
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:16 AM
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A moist Subtropical climate or one without a drought should be green.
Ok... why?
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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Ok... why?
Erm because of the moisture and warm-ish conditions maybe
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:23 AM
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Erm because of the moisture and warm-ish conditions maybe
Every single month? You only need a few frosts to create a big reduction in greenery.
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Old 01-24-2015, 11:25 AM
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A moist Subtropical climate or one without a drought should be green.
Agree.

Atlanta in winter doesn't look much different than NYC, mostly bare trees.

Rome looks much greener, more palms, more subtropical looking.
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Old 01-24-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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Agree.

Atlanta in winter doesn't look much different than NYC, mostly bare trees.

Rome looks much greener, more palms, more subtropical looking.

I read something interesting that North America (Mid-Atlantic and southward), and Europe are artificially deciduous.



The Gulf of Mexico and SW deserts acted as seed blockers after the last ice age as the Med Sea did in Europe. Unlike China, which is directly connected to Vietnam and the tropics without deserts or large oceans. China has far more broadleaf evergreens than North America latitude for latitude. Places at the latitude of Louisiana in China look almost tropical.


In Asia, the tropical species were not blocked from moving northward and adapting. Many cold tolerant Broadleaf Evergreens like photinia, eunymous, camellia, windmill palm, citrus, come from Asia.

In China, places with the climate of Philadelphia in winter the natural vegetation is heavily broadleaf evergreen with ilex, lithocarpus, camellia,, etc. Areas in China with winter temps like southern Louisiana have a nearly tropical jungle flora.

In Europe due to Middle Eastern deserts and the Med, there was also a seed block. Maritime areas of Europe that are zone 9 or higher still have nothing but deciduous canopy species.


Even in Florida, tropical species in the southern part of the state are said to be from the last 2,000 years or so (somewhat recent). Southern species are still supposedly moving north post ice age. Bald cypress are naturalizing in upper New York state.

Even with that, the broadleaf evergreen flora in the southeast is quite extensive, especially compared to maritime zone 9 Europe:

Several species of Live Oaks, several species of hollies, magnolia (m. virginiana and m. grandiflora), s gordonia, myricas/waxmyrtles (several species), osmanthus (devilwood), perseas (red bay), prunus (cherry laurel), rhododendron, cyrilla (titi), kalmia, pieris, and illicium (anisetree). Also you have the native palms. If you add introduced broadleaf evergreens from Asia and elsewhere the evergreen planting varieties are quite large in the Southeast.

Thing is, people in the inland South like Atlanta prefer traditional deciduous trees and shrubs so they can have the spring flowers and fall color. This is well noted. People in Atlanta that want to have evergreen gardens, and there are quite a few on the subtropical gardening forums, can easily do so and they post pics all the time.


I'm not saying the pics below show as subtropical as Rome, just that people can have more green winter gardens there if they wanted.

Hardy Palm and Subtropical Board


Hardy Palms In Temperate Zones Board



Atlanta Feb 2014



















Virginia Beach Jan 19th 2015










Dallas TX last week




Just in case the brown grass folks ask, that is warm season grass above that can't take below 0C.

Here is a lawn in same area same date with cool season grass:










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Old 11-30-2020, 01:10 AM
 
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Rome of course.
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Old 11-30-2020, 08:42 AM
 
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Roma for warmer more stable winters, plus you can see palm trees in street views of Roma. I've been to Atlanta and haven't seen any palm trees there
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:55 AM
 
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Roma for warmer more stable winters, plus you can see palm trees in street views of Roma. I've been to Atlanta and haven't seen any palm trees there
But they do exist. You just have to search for them. Tom Falcon's first photo is a palm in Atlanta.
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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But they do exist. You just have to search for them. Tom Falcon's first photo is a palm in Atlanta.
Not good enough, a random protected plant doesn't equal scattered unprotected ones
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Old 11-30-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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Atlanta, because it has constant tropical weather from May-September with torrid sun and horrible UHI overnight due to all the concrete and car exhaust.
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