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The term Warm Temperate, gets used on here a fair bit, but does it really mean much?
I don't see how it can be of any use, as it can't describe a type of climate or an expectation of weather throughout the year. Then there's the matter of whether to use annual temperature, or just seasonal temps-either way the result is a dog's breakfast.
Perhaps it's time to drop this meaningless term. How say ye?
It may not be perfect but it's far more meaningful to me than the humid subtropical classification, which sprawls all the way to a blizzard-ridden New York City and Washington.
Humid subtropical defines climates by core characteristics though, as NYC can be said to have it's climate for the same broad reason as Atlanta, Sochi or Brisbane.
Warm temperate doesn't give any attempt at cause and effect.
Humid subtropical defines climates by core characteristics though, as NYC can be said to have it's climate for the same broad reason as Atlanta, Sochi or Brisbane.
Warm temperate doesn't give any attempt at cause and effect.
Brisbane, Atlanta, NYC and Sochi (to an extent) just have tropical-like summers. They all have differing and distinctive winters. Brisbane's winters are mild and comparable to Florida. Atlanta's winters are like Canberra's (colder than Sydney's), but with higher lows. And NYC winters are on par with Chicago's and most of the other humid continentals out there. They are all distinctive climates to me.
So no, I don't see any "core characteristics" these climates have that Koppen defines, besides the humid-summer part. Koppen just didn't get the Cfa definition right. He could have had split these climates, with 'humid temperate' for NYC, Washington & Sochi, whilst reserving 'humid subtropical' for more warmer cities like Brisbane, Orlando, Hong Kong. For me, that's more meaningful.
Brisbane, Atlanta, NYC and Sochi (to an extent) just have tropical-like summers. They all have differing and distinctive winters. Brisbane's winters are mild and comparable to Florida. Atlanta's winters are like Canberra's (colder than Sydney's), but with higher lows. And NYC winters are on par with Chicago's and most of the other humid continentals out there. They are all distinctive climates to me.
So no, I don't see any "core characteristics" these climates have that Koppen defines, besides the humid-summer part. Koppen just didn't get the Cfa definition right. He could have had split these climates, with 'humid temperate' for NYC, Washington & Sochi, whilst reserving 'humid subtropical' for more warmer cities like Brisbane, Orlando, Hong Kong. For me, that's more meaningful.
Characteristics was the wrong word. Influences, would be better.
NYC has the same influences as Florida, although to a different degree.
Koppen grouped climates by cause and that provides a far better understanding of climate. Grouping climates by statistics is just a common sense approach to knowing what the weather is like in a location, but doesn't in itself, explain anything.
I agree. Warm temperate encompasses everything outside d*b, d*c, E, and A climates. it's only useful in the describing the global climate in very general terms.
Chicago and Saskatoon both have the same broad designation as temperate climates but they are so very different. Chicago is 10 degrees warmer in winter and 5 degrees warmer in summer. I don't know if I would call Chicago a warm temperate climate but I do know that "temperate climate" is too broad and vague.
So no, I don't see any "core characteristics" these climates have that Koppen defines, besides the humid-summer part. Koppen just didn't get the Cfa definition right. He could have had split these climates, with 'humid temperate' for NYC, Washington & Sochi, whilst reserving 'humid subtropical' for more warmer cities like Brisbane, Orlando, Hong Kong. For me, that's more meaningful.
That is the defining characteristic. It's the type of climate that's caused by being on the east side of a continent in the midlatitudes. Sochi doesn't fit, but it has some similarities to the others.
The term Warm Temperate, gets used on here a fair bit, but does it really mean much?
I don't see how it can be of any use, as it can't describe a type of climate or an expectation of weather throughout the year. Then there's the matter of whether to use annual temperature, or just seasonal temps-either way the result is a dog's breakfast.
Perhaps it's time to drop this meaningless term. How say ye?
In a non-technical sense, reading it I get the impression of a place that has some seasonal range and is relatively warm (no snowy or near freezing winters). No climate classification name is technically meaningful without a quantative definition. In everyday langauge, it conveys a description of a place, in a less confusing than subtropical does. So it's fine.
Duh. I didn't see the part about Canada being included. I think if you adjusted for population, there would be a lot more August highs. (CA,TX,FL)
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