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Why? Smaller the region, the more variable. A record for an entire region stands out more.
It only took a few months to be Top 3 El Nino. No big deal to me
There were probably 10 more like that before we had records.
Bridgeports 3rd warmest November data is more interesting for the same time period because its 1 little location, not a blend of an entire region.
If this El Nino gained that much strength in just a few months, just imagine how easy it might of happened in the way past like 1800s. We just dont know and I bet it affected the globe those times too. Not saying its not noteworthy, just doesnt impress me
In 1972-73, the other strong El Nino, it was the strongest in 22 yrs at the time. Big whoop.
Then gee 1982-83 yet another strong El Nino, strongest in 32 yrs.. wow
Then looky here 1997-1998 strongest El Nino happens again...
Now 2015 here we are again and doesnt even beat those other years, but we're impressed? How about when or if it crashes in 8 months to La Nina? Will that be impressive?
Give me a break. 65yrs of records is nothing to be impressed about. Interesting, Yes, noteworthy, Yes, but not a show stopper. 100 yrs would be more impressive. Its gonna collapse soon anyway. If it doesnt then I'll eat my words... then again NOAA will probably tamper with the data to make it stronger.
Both the 1982-83 and 1997-98 were big enough to have large global impacts; I'm not sure why you're focused on record-breaking. The previous ones were impressive, so this one is too.
There is of course a physical limit to how strong an El Niño can be. The eastern Pacific can't be warmer than western Pacific. The 1997/98 El Niño got close to that, but not quite. I suppose it could last longer, it's from a wave so a long-lasting El Niño might not be possible.
Both the 1982-83 and 1997-98 were big enough to have large global impacts; I'm not sure why you're focused on record-breaking. The previous ones were impressive, so this one is too.
Now there is a way to go back further but you have to be tolerable of errors. We can check the SSTs back to late 1800s.
Well look at that.. there were other Strong El Ninos stronger or comparable to this years..wonder how global weather and temps were back then.. moving on. #hyperbole
Now there is a way to go back further but you have to be tolerable of errors. We can check the SSTs back to late 1800s.
Well look at that.. there were other Strong El Ninos stronger or comparable to this years..wonder how global weather and temps were back then.. moving on. #hyperbole
Cool link. If these are close to accurate, then the 1940-1941 El Niño looks very similar in placement to this year. What I mean is that 82-83 and 97-98 were very eastern based and you can tell that the warm pool dips south along the South American coastline. This years isn't entirely central OR eastern based, seems somewhere in the middle, so I didn't feel as if it was completely comparable to the previous two strong ones. Obviously the SST's seem to be much higher this year than in the 40's, though.
I checked rainfall records for LA to see how the placement of the pool of warm water in 1940-41 affected our precip. Looks like it's definitely one of the top 5 highest rainfall years (32 inches) so hopefully we can match that.
Why does have to be a record? I don't get your take on it ...
I said "records since". Meaning the amount of time we had data. And I'll repeat.. Interesting, YES. Noteworthy, YES. Impressive, NO.
BTW .. you lived through a few El Ninos including couple strong ones so it's not like this is the fist time seeing the results. Maybe me and you are more in tuned now, which I agree, but it has happened in our lifetime (more-so mine I guess) You can use 2009 as the other most recent one. Spiked Global temps up as well in part due to well above Pacific temps there.
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Cool link. If these are close to accurate, then the 1940-1941 El Niño looks very similar in placement to this year. What I mean is that 82-83 and 97-98 were very eastern based and you can tell that the warm pool dips south along the South American coastline. This years isn't entirely central OR eastern based, seems somewhere in the middle, so I didn't feel as if it was completely comparable to the previous two strong ones. Obviously the SST's seem to be much higher this year than in the 40's, though.
I checked rainfall records for LA to see how the placement of the pool of warm water in 1940-41 affected our precip. Looks like it's definitely one of the top 5 highest rainfall years (32 inches) so hopefully we can match that.
Nice info and yeah, that's something else some are forgetting to look at. Was it East, West or Central Based Nino in the past.
Here's another good link.. You can see all the El Ninos (red numbers) and La Ninas (blue numbers) of the past.
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