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I certainly hope we haven't already reached an era of ice-free summers . What's simply amazing to me is how noticeable and consequential the effects of contamporary warming, being only ~1F, are. Imagine the world if the 6-10F warming by the end of the century as predicted by the IPCC came to fruition . Our planet would be unrecognizable. Fortunately, I think a temperature rise of 2-3F, which presumably would still cause disasterous and far reaching effects seems much more reasonable
Yeah but like I said the effects we still don't truly understand. Everyone thought the eastern Antarctic ice sheet was stable and above sea level but now they have discovered otherwise again. Also look at the Antarctic which saw record high sea ice last year I believe it was. This is not due to global cooling though. its due to the Weddell sea which is relatively ice free due to strong winds that blow across the sea and prevent ice formation but it is believed that has changed due to global warming the winds died down allowing ice formation and that is the reason there was a record not like many global warming denialists like to state. Also its funny if you have ever noticed, at least I have, a lot of the people who deny global warming is happening have a cold bias lol. Not surprising. I don't deny we are seeing global warming I just think scientists are being arrogant and thinking they know it all yet every day we find otherwise than what they say. Scientists did say back in the 2000s we would see our first sea ice free summer soon, they said it would be 2012 I believe but we did not see it then but yeah we are nearing our first year with no sea ice in summer. It could be this year, and it could be not, but the fact we are so low right now and nearing the time that sea ice reaches its max is frightening.
Opposite here, mild morning above freezing, looks like a very cold morning on your map
where nei lives, only 11F (-12C)
11°F is only 2°F below freezing for here, though colder than most mornings we've had this January. Averages start creeping up mid February, which start to reduce the punch of any severe cold bar any extreme events.
Scientists did say back in the 2000s we would see our first sea ice free summer soon, they said it would be 2012 I believe but we did not see it then but yeah we are nearing our first year with no sea ice in summer. It could be this year, and it could be not, but the fact we are so low right now and nearing the time that sea ice reaches its max is frightening.
It was only a couple scientists that said that, not a general agreement; most did not. The climate models didn't even predict anywhere close to as low as what happened in 2012. Anyway, while there's low sea ice now and it's been a warm year and winter for the globe, an ice-free arctic this year sounds unlikely. Even the lowest sea ice years had a lot of sea ice left to melt.
Could 2016 set another new record minimum? It’s far too soon to make any confident predictions. A record-low maximum could give the ice a head start on 2016 melting, but the ultimate outcome will depend mainly on weather patterns still to come, especially in early summer. Warm southerly winds and clear, sunny skies during June and July can make a huge difference in paving the way for a record minimum in September.
“Because the atmosphere is mostly unpredictable beyond 1 or 2 weeks, the sea ice forecasts initialized in late spring may not be able to accurately predict sea ice features that develop as a result of extreme summer atmospheric conditions,” said the EOS paper.
Seriously? Toronto's record max is only 15.5C for the month of February? Chicago's is 75F/23.9C recorded on Feb 27th 1976. TO's average high is 2C colder than Chicago's for the month.
I'll pass on that, subzero temperatures would just be uncalled for at this point. It'd cause a lot of unnecessary plant damage as well.
Last year we had -2F in March!
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Seriously? Toronto's record max is only 15.5C for the month of February? Chicago's is 75F/23.9C recorded on Feb 27th 1976. TO's average high is 2C colder than Chicago's for the month.
Yeah that's surprising. Cooler than their record high for January.
Seriously? Toronto's record max is only 15.5C for the month of February? Chicago's is 75F/23.9C recorded on Feb 27th 1976. TO's average high is 2C colder than Chicago's for the month.
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. What's simply amazing to me is how noticeable and consequential the effects of contamporary warming, being only ~1F, are. Imagine the world if the 6-10F warming by the end of the century as predicted by the IPCC came to fruition 
. Our planet would be unrecognizable. Fortunately, I think a temperature rise of 2-3F, which presumably would still cause disasterous and far reaching effects seems much more reasonable
