Any places where you can see Fall foliage AND 100+ temps simultaneously? (world, most)
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Well, since you failed to read the context of this argument, I'm not getting into this again.
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Originally Posted by orlando-calrissian
Since the sun shines on the equator, the daylight would decrease much more quickly in northern latitudes. So I'm not seeing why daylight and temperature are not both factors...
Well, explain why trees have leaves in the UK in November, but not in Canada or Russia at the exactly same latitude? Why are trees bare in Fairbanks, but still have leaves in London, though both would have exactly the same daylight hours at some point. Also explain why trees can be green at sea level, but peak foliage at the same latitude at 3000 ft?
Well, explain why trees have leaves in the UK in November, but not in Canada or Russia at the exactly same latitude? Why are trees bare in Fairbanks, but still have leaves in London, though both would have exactly the same daylight hours at some point. Also explain why trees can be green at sea level, but peak foliage at the same latitude at 3000 ft?
Just admit you are wrong.
Jesus. Does everyone lack the capability to read through posts before spouting off their 2 cents? Obviously not. Look dude, shortening days are the reasons why they change. When, how soon, whatever, can be attributed to temps, soil moisture, etc. I already explained all of this. Now why you and this other guy keep assuming I said that temps have NOTHING do with it is beyond me.
To spell it out for you...someone was saying that they wouldn't expect trees to change color in SoCal because temps were too mild. I explained that the main driving force is the shortening of days, pointing out that temps are not the only factor and are also not the biggest factor. K? Cool.
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Some of the leaves have already turning in north Texas. It hasn't been 100 this October, thank God. But this coming week we're seeing high 80s and low 90s again. Sucks, the last week we got lows in the 50s and highs in the 70s. Can it go back to that?
October and November are not usually too hot though. October can get heat and cold within the same week, and November is usually cool, but can get frosts. I haven't experienced it yet (as I am originally from Florida, land of no seasons.) but I do think it will be weird for it to reach near 100 and see a bunch of orange, yellow and red leaves.
To spell it out for you...someone was saying that they wouldn't expect trees to change color in SoCal because temps were too mild. I explained that the main driving force is the shortening of days, pointing out that temps are not the only factor and are also not the biggest factor. K? Cool.
First you said:
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Originally Posted by NativeOrange
Temperature has little to do with why leaves actually change color. It's more so a response to the seasons and the earths axis tilt. Less sun = less photosynthesis = leaves changing color.
It's obviously a big factor in the timing of leaf change. As for this:
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Southern California has trees that change color, but these trees would change color regardless of whether they are in a warm or cold climate. It's spotty here, as none of the actual native vegetation changes color, so the deciduous trees that were randomly planted in yards or along streets change their color and lose leaves, but it's odd because you will usually see it next to a Jacaranda with a full green canopy or a palm tree.
I was puzzled why trees in Southern California wouldn't keep their leaves year around. You mentioned native trees do keep their leaves, which is what I'd expect for the climate. I wasn't thinking of non-native trees, of course they'd behave differently but they're a bit of an exception. I would expect a non-native tree to behave strangely with leaf fall because it's expecting a different climate. I think I've seen an ornamental tree hold leaves till early December, but they're not many of them.
It's obviously a big factor in the timing of leaf change. As for this:
I was puzzled why trees in Southern California wouldn't keep their leaves year around. You mentioned native trees do keep their leaves, which is what I'd expect for the climate. I wasn't thinking of non-native trees, of course they'd behave differently but they're a bit of an exception. I would expect a non-native tree to behave strangely with leaf fall because it's expecting a different climate. I think I've seen an ornamental tree hold leaves till early December, but they're not many of them.
Well then looks like it's just a big misunderstanding then. Thanks for clarifying what you meant.
Well then looks like it's just a big misunderstanding then. Thanks for clarifying what you meant.
Misunderstanding might be because it sounds like you have a non-native planted trees? We don't really them, so it didn't occur to me to specify "native trees".
Misunderstanding might be because it sounds like you have a non-native planted trees? We don't really them, so it didn't occur to me to specify "native trees".
Interesting! Honestly never thought of that. Since SoCal obviously has a longer growing season and you have the ability to plant many different species which are non-native it makes sense. In the northeast do they plant native trees along sidewalks and other landscaped areas or have they ever experimented with trees from other similar climates around the world?
I don't find anything unusual about deciduous trees in Southern California. If South Florida has native deciduous trees with warmer temps and less variation in daylength, surely Southern California can too.
Mediterranean climates aren't very good for deciduous trees, though.
I don't find anything unusual about deciduous trees in Southern California. If South Florida has native deciduous trees with warmer temps and less variation in daylength, surely Southern California can too.
How long do decideous trees stay dormant in Florida? I assume their foliage is bland.
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Mediterranean climates aren't very good for deciduous trees, though.
Forgot that point.
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