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View Poll Results: When do you think La Nina will happen?
Spring 2016 3 4.84%
Summer 2016 16 25.81%
Fall 2016 23 37.10%
Winter 2016-17 11 17.74%
After Feb 2017 9 14.52%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-11-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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Looks nice here temp wise!
If the PDO drops to neutral which I highly suspect that it wont (not by the winter, maybe by next spring or summer imho)
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Old 07-11-2016, 08:48 AM
 
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On the other hand, the King of models says...



https://twitter.com/RobElvington/sta...96920896020480
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Northeast normal, Mid Atlantic a little milder, Midwest colder Are we all happy now?

https://twitter.com/WeatherInTheHud/...72697314181120


Expect PDO probably will still be positive for this upcoming winter which might change the flow of the jet down stream in the east? . Not sure where the AMO is going. Seems likes it's hovering around neutral to slightly positive right now.

2013 to 2014 was no where near mild here or in the Southeast. Far from it. So you just can't go by a bunch of analog maps like that.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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2013 to 2014 was no where near mild here or in the Southeast. Far from it. So you just can't go by a bunch of analog maps like that.
But there was no Nina in 2013 or 2015. Apples to oranges
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:34 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/commoditywx/stat...50478639235073
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Looks nice here temp wise!

Not a strong correlation though between SE US lowest winter temp and the average anomaly of the whole winter. That graphic included the winter of 2013-14 when Mobile, AL went down to 14F lol.

I'll bet if you check all those years, you will see quite a few with low temps falling below the current USDA zone for places in the Southeast. All the cold air over the northern US always every winter without fail will at least once make its way all the way down to the Gulf Coast and beyond.

Bottom line, don't count on that graphic helping your region avoid a brutal low temp this winter.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:53 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/s...11700487430144
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:40 AM
 
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This would be a disaster of a winter But like he says, this Chinese model brings on a strong Nina which now doesn't seem very likely.

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/s...16155203547136
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Old 07-12-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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Umm.. Brazilian model has mega drought for Chicago. This is 100% BS

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Old 07-12-2016, 03:42 PM
 
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This would be a disaster of a winter But like he says, this Chinese model brings on a strong Nina which now doesn't seem very likely.

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/s...16155203547136

Even very warm winters in the East still have some Arctic blasts and cold spells.

I heard somewhere that strong Nino's are usually followed by strong Nina's. Did you ever hear that?

Remember these guys? Here Comes La Nina! wt360 Helps Local Farmer Get Ready. - Blog - weathertrends360

Either you or Cambium posted about them before. They very much don't believe in global warming, and also keep talking about a huge cool down due to low sun activity, cold PDO and cold AMO. I also heard before that low sun activity hits Europe more than North America. I think that was Judah Cohen that stated that.


Anyway, they are still very firm in their belief that a strong to record strong Nina is coming. They don't believe in analogs, and never use them. They did call last winter right on, but were off in 2015.
Here Comes La Nina! wt360 Helps Local Farmer Get Ready.

April 18th, 2016 | wt360Did you see the stories in the Wall Street journal last week that said government sources in Australia and NOAA say a 50% chance of La Nina this year. REALLY! Typical government where 50% is a high confidence forecast. How'bout this prediction wt360 made a year ago - moderate to strong La Nina by Summer and if you asked us now we'd say 100% certainty we're headed for strong to potentially near record strong La Nina; weak by June, moderate by July, strong by September and very strong during Winter.

They seem off on this bit which is from their April blog:

Most of the computer models now show a strong to potentially record strong La Nina in the making. Weak by June, moderate by July and strong to very strong by Fall. Not at all surprising as what goes way up...usually comes way down so very normal to have a record strong El Nino followed by a very strong to near record strong La Nina.


What's it all mean? Well if you just factored in ENSO (El Nino - La Nina cycle) you'd make some really bad long term projections but we factor in 24 and a boat of load of statistics which all say we're headed for a scorching hot/drought Summer in the Midwest and East, a very active hurricane season and then a very cold Fall-Winter. If you watched our Seeds of Success video series you'll see we made many of these projections a year ago including the devastating heat and drought that is plaguing Brazil's corn crop with a big rally likely in June and July this year.
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