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...wait never mind its probably 64.4°F which is 18.0°C.
Celsius is more commonly used so i assume the exact threshold should be 18.0°C.
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Originally Posted by B87
According to that wiki link it has a mean temp of 17.7c in July.
where do you see the mean for the month stated? i don't see it... yes the conversion would be 17.7°C using the C temps. but using the F temps the mean is 17.69°C. but the C temps were probably the original ones entered and the system converted them to F approximations which ended up being slightly lower when calculating the mean for them. still not 18.0°C either way.
Last edited by Sir Goosenseresworthie; 12-29-2015 at 03:12 PM..
It has to be at or above 18.0°C and Fraser Island falls a little short with a average temp of 17.7°C. I'm sorry but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
It has to be at or above 18.0°C and Fraser Island falls a little short with a average temp of 17.7°C. I'm sorry but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Round it up: 17.7C is closer to 18C than 17C; it's tropical. Moreso than Miami (which may have slightly higher winter averages but gets far colder during cold snaps). Coco palms thrive in both places though.
Last edited by ABrandNewWorld; 12-29-2015 at 05:30 PM..
Wherever that weather station on Fraser is just misses being tropical, but the island is 75 miles from north to south. It's believable that parts of it are just warm enough.
However it has too long a wet season, and not a dry enough dry season for me. Oranjestad is my pick, followed by Honolulu.
Round it up: 17.7C is closer to 18C than 17C; it's tropical. Moreso than Miami (which may have slightly higher winter averages but gets far colder during cold snaps). Coco palms thrive in both places though.
Miami has an average temp of 20.1°C and Fraser Island 17.7°C in their coldest months. It shouldn't be necessary in my opinion to round up 17.7 to get 18.0. If a climate has an average temp of 17.9°C in its coldest month it's still not tropical in my opinion. Miami barely reaches my standards for being tropical whereas Fraser Island does not but it's close.
Round it up: 17.7C is closer to 18C than 17C; it's tropical. Moreso than Miami (which may have slightly higher winter averages but gets far colder during cold snaps). Coco palms thrive in both places though.
what? ok so then you can make the same argument for a tropical climate with a mean of 18.2°C, 0.3 off from being considered subtropical but hey its really close so now i'm going to call it subtropical
and there are plenty of subtropical climates that support coconut palms (with lower means than Fraser Island). coconut palm does not mean tropical free pass! and its not like we are calling it arctic or anything, its subtropical. it still has "tropical" in the name. it is close to being tropical. but it does not make the cut.
also coconut palms do not "thrive" in Miami. they were planted there and are not native. many will die if the 1890's return. and many get bruised after a bad winter. that is not "thriving".
Last edited by Sir Goosenseresworthie; 12-29-2015 at 06:29 PM..
what? ok so then you can make the same argument for a tropical climate with a mean of 18.2°C, 0.3 off from being considered subtropical but hey its really close so now i'm going to call it subtropical
I disagree. It doesn't work the other way around. If you have a mean of 18.2 then you can't "round it down" to 17.9 and call it subtropical. That's not mathematically sound, since rounding is basically a matter of removing significant figures. If you remove a significant figure from 18.2 then you get 18 which is still tropical.
This is really a question of how fine you want the scale to be. If you use significance to within 0.1C then Fraser Island is not tropical according to Koppen. If you use significance to within 1C then it is tropical. I would say that 1C increments are better-suited for this purpose than 0.1C increments, because temperature gauges are rarely accurate to within 0.1C, but they are generally accurate to within 1C. Hence I would think that it's not completely incorrect to call the climate in question tropical as defined by Koppen.
Last edited by Shalop; 12-29-2015 at 07:10 PM..
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