Summer 2016 (Northern Hemisphere) (yearly, climate, warm, records)

[GraniteStater]

Originally Posted by dunno what to put here

The UK is undeniably a cloudy place but you're rarely if ever going to go a week or more without seeing any sunshine in winter. In January we get about 2 hours of sun a day on average, which is very little but not zero. In July we get about 7 hours a day on average.

Leeds actually has one of my favorite climates, as I despise lots of sunlight. The very low annual range in temperatures over the course of the year is appealing, mild overall, with pleasant summer temperatures.

[tom77falcons]

Originally Posted by B87

I remember Wavehunter/Cold epoch etc saying it regularly in days gone by.

If you use the same threshold, then Boston gets about 136% of the annual sunshine that London gets. London as a percentage of Boston's total would be about 73%.

If you used the same strict threshold for somewhere like Seattle or Pittsburgh, it wouldn't surprise me if the south coast of the UK was sunnier.

I know people on here will disagree, but I ran the numbers for southern cities. The US is just not as sunny as Americans think using the 120W threshold.


Using CRN data nearest Charleston, SC you get 2320, 2341, and 2131 sunshine hours annually for 2013 thru 2015 respectively. My point is that Charleston is just as sunny as Boston. Dispute all you want, but if you use the data for the CRN site nearest Charleston you will see. Wiki lists 2800 for Charleston lol. Not a chance. I dare someone to take the data from those three years at the site below and tell me they get 2800 hours. They don't.


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Checking Yuma, AZ you get 3717, 3794, and 3562 annual sunshine hours for 2013, 14, and 15 respectively. Wiki lists 4,000 hours for Yuma. Wrong!


I too used to think the US was so sunny compared to the rest of the world. It isn't. The truly sunburnt country is Australia not the US. The stupid US system way overestimated sun hours, and it is obvious once you use the 120W threshold.


I checked a bunch of other cities as well and they are all of them much lower than the wiki data listings.


How bout Newton, MS. Try 2393, 2471, and 2208 for 2013 thru 2015.


I only did those three years for places cause it is a laborious process using the Cal Davis sunshine hours spreadsheet and then plugging in each days solar radiation for 365 days.


Here is the spreadsheet for those interested. Go into the link below and then click Wton excel file to get the spreadsheet. You then have to adjust latitude for your locale. The USCRN sites give you the monthly summaries which have each days solar radiation for each month.


I'm glad I did it cause now I know just how much less sunny the US cities are compared to the rest of the world.


We should have used the CS machines all along but our stupid prejudice against the British prevented it.


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[chicagogeorge]

Originally Posted by tom77falcons

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We should have used the CS machines all along but our stupid prejudice against the British prevented it.


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Um, the CS is an inferior sunshine recorder when compared to the Foster. Definitely NOT as accurate.


And there is no way in hell that Charleston records 600 hours less than measured with the Foster when averaged over a 30 year period. Impossible. 150-250 hours... Ok, that's reasonable.

[alex985]

Lol you're using three years of data, that were all quite cloudier than normal. Why do you always use extremely short periods of time to prove your point? 2013-2015? Seriously?

2,800 might be a bit much for Charleston, but 2,600 or 2,700 is easily feasible. It's honestly quite a sunny climate overall, there's no season in that region that could be described as gloomy. Maybe the November-January period is slightly "gloomy" (i.e. less than 50% possible sunshine) but February-October is quite sunny.

[alex985]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Um, the CS is an inferior sunshine recorder when compared to the Foster. Definitely NOT as accurate.


And there is no way in hell that Charleston records 600 hours less than measured with the Foster when averaged over a 30 year period. Impossible. 150-250 hours... Ok, that's reasonable.

Also, according to B87, the south coast of England average nears 2,000 yearly sunshine hours. You're telling me Charleston is only 300 hours sunnier?

[Steelernation71]

A foster recorder was added at buffalo state in January 2015 but I can't find any data after June 2015. I assume it didn't stop recording as it would make little sense to put in a new machine for only 6 months. Does anyone know where to find this data?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Into the last month of summer, slowly but surely getting cooler, our daily normals for September:

1= 103 82 93
2= 103 82 93
3= 103 82 93
4= 102 82 92
5= 102 81 92
6= 102 81 92
7= 101 81 91
8= 101 80 91
9= 101 80 91
10= 100 80 90
11= 100 79 90
12= 100 79 90
13= 100 79 90
14= 100 78 89
15= 100 78 89
16= 99 78 89
17= 99 77 88
18= 99 77 88
19= 99 77 88
20= 99 76 88
21= 99 76 88
22= 99 76 88
23= 99 76 88
24= 98 75 87
25= 98 75 87
26= 98 74 86
27= 97 74 86
28= 97 74 86
29= 96 73 85
30= 96 72 84

[B87]

Originally Posted by alex985

Also, according to B87, the south coast of England average nears 2,000 yearly sunshine hours. You're telling me Charleston is only 300 hours sunnier?

According to the Met Office. You say that like I just plucked a number from thin air, accuweather style.

[chicagogeorge]

^^

I don't think he's disputing the figure for England's south coast. Just the notion that a place like Charleston South Carolina would only be some 300 hours sunnier.

Originally Posted by alex985

Also, according to B87, the south coast of England average nears 2,000 yearly sunshine hours. You're telling me Charleston is only 300 hours sunnier?

Or Vancouver LOL

And that Charleston is only as sunny as Toronto which averages 2235 hours using a CS. Ridiculous. Not a chance. LOL

[B87]

Toronto averages 2066 hours.