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Location: Murray River, Riverland, South Australia
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Yes, if the palms are rated to USDA 10B, then they can indeed survive in certain areas of Central Florida, and South Texas, particularly in micro-climates along water. Such micro-climates in both areas, including St. Petersburg, FL, and South Padre Island, TX, don't dip below 40F that easily.
The average January low in both South Padre and St Petersburg is in the low 50s F and the record is 17F and 25F respectively so yes it can and will dip below 40F quite easily. Even if it doesnt one year, it very likely will in the next couple so your lipstick palms won't be with you for very long.
No, lipstick palms are marginal in even the warmest 10b/11a microclimates in coastal South Florida. Cannot tolerate anything near a frost or extended cool temperatures. Really only a safe bet in the Keys.
No, lipstick palms are marginal in even the warmest 10b/11a microclimates in coastal South Florida. Cannot tolerate anything near a frost or extended cool temperatures. Really only a safe bet in the Keys.
Yes, if the palms are rated to USDA 10B, then they can indeed survive in certain areas of Central Florida, and South Texas, particularly in micro-climates along water. Such micro-climates in both areas, including St. Petersburg, FL, and South Padre Island, TX, don't dip below 40F that easily.
Nope, you are talking absolute rubbish (as usual)
There is more to a climate than merely the USDA zone, I have an 11A climate but there is no way a Lipstick palm would grow here, or coconuts either for that matter...
There is more to a climate than merely the USDA zone, I have an 11A climate but there is no way a Lipstick palm would grow here, or coconuts either for that matter...
If we went solely by hardiness zones, then London would be full of Phoenix dactylifera, which it isn't as they struggle in humid climates and need desert heat. Phoenix canariensis does well here as it likes humidity, even though it had the same cold tolerance as dactylifera.
There is more to a climate than merely the USDA zone, I have an 11A climate but there is no way a Lipstick palm would grow here, or coconuts either for that matter...
Yep same reason why you don't see Sabal Palmettos in Vancouver...
That's a shame. I think South Florida exhibits a nicer variety of palms than Australia.
You really want to compare Broome or Darwin with Miami? You will lose. There are many very tender palms that cannot grow below 40F, which happens in South FL all the time.
Pygmy dates in Orlando are not long term hardy. When the 80's type weather returns, they will bite the dust. It happened in the past, and will eventually again. We all know that extreme anomalies are far more likely in the Southeast than other subtropical regions. New Orleans lost all kinds of palms, including pygmy dates as well.
They are more sensitive than coconut palms. I did a bit of reading on palm forums and they die when the temp reaches 35F, even 40F is a stretch going by those who attempted growing these. So no, you will not be growing lipsticks in central Florida or south Texas.
They try lipstick palms in S. FL, and based on forums I'm on, they eventually don't make it. Hawaii, yes, Florida no they do not. They can't grow them long term.
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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You really want to compare Broome or Darwin with Miami? You will lose. There are many very tender palms that cannot grow below 40F, which happens in South FL all the time.
Pygmy dates in Orlando are not long term hardy. When the 80's type weather returns, they will bite the dust. It happened in the past, and will eventually again. We all know that extreme anomalies are far more likely in the Southeast than other subtropical regions. New Orleans lost all kinds of palms, including pygmy dates as well.
Have you seen the forecast for nexts days to Southeastern China? Snow and Subfreezing Highs around Shanghai..
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