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Unfortunately those CIDP are likely on borrowed time due to the Red Palm Weevil which are now present across the entire Mediterranean. Malta used to be covered in CIDP's but thousands have been killed in the last few years, seeing one now is sadly quite a rare sight
I'm sure it is in the US as well. At least with the very mild winters there they have loads of palm tree options.
I'm sure it is in the US as well. At least with the very mild winters there they have loads of palm tree options.
There were reported cases in California, but the authorities acted quickly & stopped them from spreading. There is another type of weevil in Florida that can kill palms though...
In Malta at least the local authorities only ever seem to plant Washingtonias. You do see a few other species about, but they certainly don't make the most of the climate here, there are literally hundreds of different palms that would thrive here...
Have you ever taken a trip south to the humid subtropical climates in places like South Carolina, GA, and Alabama?
Trust me, you just will never see CIDP that look that tall and healthy. Most years they look rather ratty due to getting low temps below or around 20F just about every winter. And most are really quite small due to being killed off in the 1970's thru 1990, and even after. Heck, many were killed off in 2014.
I repeat over and over it is because of the insane cold that places in the Southeast get. There was not one of those left in places like Savannah after the 1980's, but I'll bet those in Croatia have been around for decades.
That location in Croatia is probably zone 9b or 10a. It really sucks that eastern North America gets the winters we do. Only the eastern US and eastern Asia have these rotten winters for such low latitudes. We surely lost the geography lottery. This location in Croatia is probably around the latitude of Boston.
Good lord even the ones in Florida don't look as nice as the med ones, cidp don't like humid climates. Has nothing to do with the cold.
Definitely a factor. How many healthy CIDPs do you see in Southeast Asia?
Yep, this is what happened in Hong Kong, the palm weevil attacked it, they didn't like the humid climate, mosses were growing on it, too much water for it.
Yep, this is what happened in Hong Kong, the palm weevil attacked it, they didn't like the humid climate, mosses were growing on it, too much water for it.
"He also said the trees, which grow better in a dry environment, had been mismanaged. Their crowns were surrounded by decorative ferns, which would accumulate water and attract insects while a thick layer of moss found on the bark indicated they had been over-watered by tall sprinklers nearby."
Wildcat15: Good point about southeast Asia. In southeast Asia, they have plenty of other options to choose from in what to grow due to their precipitation and humidity. CIDP's are the go to in drier climates because, well, that's where they like it. It just so happens CIDP's can also put up with the humidity and wet from areas like the coastal southeast United States and Florida.
As far as growing CIDP's in the southeast U.S. or in Mediterranean climates, the difference in appearance and well being has less to do with the cold so much as it has to do with the humidity and precipitation levels. Every CIDP I've owned has almost always had black spots on the leaves. You know why? It's a side effect of too much water.
Phoenix canariensis can take very humid, high rainfall climates. The reason why you don't see them in Florida or Hong Kong for example is because it is too hot year round, they are not suited to the tropics... The cold snaps that the US south can get from time to time are the limiting factor, not the humidity...
Phoenix canariensis can take very humid, high rainfall climates. The reason why you don't see them in Florida or Hong Kong for example is because it is too hot year round, they are not suited to the tropics... The cold snaps that the US south can get from time to time are the limiting factor, not the humidity...
It has been more than warm enough in savanna for them, plus no extreme cold either so why do they look so bad? Cold may prevent them from place 's further north but overall cidp are hardier in drier climates. Our cold outbreaks always start out with a low pressure system dragging in either cold rain or ice, followed by low temperatures. Not a good combination for a palm that likes dryness.
The reason why you don't see them in Florida or Hong Kong for example is because it is too hot year round
And Arizona isn't?
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