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Old 03-27-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Only three?! Maybe a misleading stat if some countries have high unemployment so if unemployment goes up and the remaining jobs are slightly better paying, it looks like an improvement. US is just below 2007 levels. But US wages haven't increased that much in real dollars since the late 70s, maybe by 20% at most.
The UK, Spain and Greece.

 
Old 03-27-2017, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Marijuana prohibition is moronic. Why do you focus so much immigration? Tradeau has let in some more refugees, true, but hasn't changed the immigration policy that much*. Harper had a terrible environmental record and would muzzle any government scientists that said anything that did fit the government agenda.

*At least his wikipedia page says nothing about immigration! Can't be that important, then.

Single men were blocked from entering as refugees, at least from Syria:

Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and families - Politics - CBC News
Well there's still the same culture those children come from including families, and also: visit any Swedish ghetto at any Friday night and you'll understand why I'm so concerned about immigration from some countries, more specifically those that are not proven highly-educated.

Western countries should have people who actually want to live in a western culture.

I'm torn 50/50 on marijuana. Undecided tbh. It still shouldn't be the main focus of an election campaign. That's like the movie Idiocracy in real life
 
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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If you're talking about abolishing the welfare state you can't win an election in Europe.
Republicans failed at abolishing Obamacare. Even some Republicans were uncomfortable with the prospect of kicking 20 million off health insurance. Harder to build a welfare state then remove it
 
Old 03-27-2017, 05:44 PM
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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Well there's still the same culture those children come from including families, and also: visit any Swedish ghetto at any Friday night and you'll understand why I'm so concerned about immigration from some countries, more specifically those that are not proven highly-educated.
Never heard of any Muslim ghetto in Canada, nor is their Muslim population particularly poor. Refugees are, but 25 thousand scattered across a large country isn't going to do much.

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I'm torn 50/50 on marijuana. Undecided tbh. It still shouldn't be the main focus of an election campaign. That's like the movie Idiocracy in real life
Don't think it was the focus. What's the point of having illegal and alcohol legal? Thought anti-legalization is the domain of cranky older people.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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lommaren seems like a bit of a drama queen to me, almost verging on conspiracy theorist. Ariete is right in making the connection between autism and this kind of nonsense.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Being an immigrant myself, the anti-immigrant sentiment of some people on here makes me wonder if they have an issue with me living in the U.S.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 06:05 PM
 
Location: United Kingdom
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You are now an American citizen so their opinions are essentially irrelevant.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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Well they speak of immigrants in general, not of "illegals" (which is really just code word for Latin immigrants - at least here in the U.S.)


Anyways, I don't really see the point of being so xenophobic. Some people literally seemed terrified of immigrants, to the point it nearly looks cowardly.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Paris
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I have my reservations about the FN but I like Le Pen at a personal level - so I'd vote for her but Fillon's position on multiculturalism is far better than anything the centre-right has ever served up here. Le Pen denounced her antisemitic father which is a huge plus in my book, I could never ever have voted for that buffoon if I was French back in 2002.
As you say while Le Pen might be a respectable leader, there are still a bunch of loonies in the FN. A local representative in Nice has just been evicted from the party for holocaust denial, the question being, how many like him are still left?


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Macron isn't a socialist by any means. He is a huge advocate of free-market capitalism. He worked as an investment banker at Rothschild.
Him being a former investment banker doesn't mean he can't consider himself as a socialist. Recently deceased socialist Henri Emmanuelli was also a former banker at Rothschild. He was part of the left wing of the socialist party. Of course the comparison ends here, but their paths are oddly similar in that regard.
 
Old 03-27-2017, 07:17 PM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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It's kind of funny, because these kinds of people who are anti-immigration, anti-feminism, anti-PC, etc. etc., like to think of themselves as having taken the red pill; that they have broken free from the sheeple circlejerk society and see it as it really is. They see themselves as so much more rational than everybody else. What's funny about it is that they're one big circlejerk themselves. They usually hang around on forums (news and youtube included as examples of said forums) where their views are shared by almost everyone else there, and then they circlejerk eachother all the while complaining about how everyone else is part of a big hipster-loving PC circlejerk. They like to see themselves as rationalists who have taken the red pill, but then again, the "other side" just sees them as conspiracy thin foil hatters.

And I'd like to leave a little nuance to the whole social PC censorship going on in Sweden that Lommaren likes to rant about. Of course you're not gonna like it if you wanna make the same jokes you've always made, or have the same views you've always had, and these are suddenly deemed wrong. Of course it will be inconvenient for you, but if something is frowned upon, then there's a reason for it. I belong to one of the many (and at least in my part of town I'm with the absolute majority) who adhere to politically correct rules so to say. The reason being if something isn't politically correct, then it's not because of some conspiracy feminazi reason, it's simply because it probably can and will offend people. And the politically correct alternatives almost always have literally no cons other than "but this is the way I've always done it, please don't make me change and adapt". I know it might seem difficult to "keep track of all these new rules", but I mean, they're for the better lol. This is of course when talking about matters like which terminology to use and which jokes to make and whatnot.

And yes, it is still deemed a bit "wrong" to want to close the borders, but in the eyes of most people, that's because it is and should be deemed wrong, you know, and perhaps that is because it actually is wrong? I'm not gonna take a stance and argue or anything, because I frankly don't like arguing about politics, but some food for thought can't be bad?
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