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Old 04-10-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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The first-past-the-post political system is ridiculous tbh

 
Old 04-10-2017, 10:20 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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"With one decisive action, President Trump not only reinstated America as the unipolar superpower, he has restored morality to the morality play." http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/10/syria...ommentary.html

"The message to Assad, Putin, and the world was clear: There's a new Sheriff in town."

Excellent analysis. If this is what making America great again entails, I'm all for it! This country needs to be respected again on the world stage.
 
Old 04-10-2017, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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"With one decisive action, President Trump not only reinstated America as the unipolar superpower, he has restored morality to the morality play." Syria strike's real message to Putin and the world-commentary

"The message to Assad, Putin, and the world was clear: There's a new Sheriff in town."

Excellent analysis. If this is what making America great again entails, I'm all for it! This country needs to be respected again on the world stage.
Why? Why should we have to get involved in the Middle East when there are bigger issues at home to take care of
 
Old 04-10-2017, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Why? Why should we have to get involved in the Middle East when there are bigger issues at home to take care of
snj90 hates Russia so much that he would be willing to go to war with it.

The rest of us don't. The US has no need to involve itself in Middle Eastern affairs. It has no need to police the world. Unless there is a direct threat to the US, it should stay well away - as should all Western nations.

I am sorry to see kids in the Middle East getting gassed, but I am sick of that region and its problems. I say forget it. Nothing will solve that mess. We should stick to solving our own problems and worrying about people who live here.
 
Old 04-10-2017, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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The first-past-the-post political system is ridiculous tbh
Well in "safe seats" or "safe states" it certainly is. If discounting the NYC urban area Trump won the rest of the vote 49-48 or something like that when I counted it. These people outside the main city simply don't matter under that system. Also, discounting one single county in Illinois, it'd become a red state in spite of them being around 20 points adrift statewide. But for entertainment value FPTP provides fun to watch
 
Old 04-10-2017, 01:53 PM
 
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Well in "safe seats" or "safe states" it certainly is. If discounting the NYC urban area Trump won the rest of the vote 49-48 or something like that when I counted it. These people outside the main city simply don't matter under that system. Also, discounting one single county in Illinois, it'd become a red state in spite of them being around 20 points adrift statewide. But for entertainment value FPTP provides fun to watch
Well New York City makes up something like 40% of the state's population (not even counting the suburbs), obvioulsy it's going to have a massive effect on how the state votes. Even the Rust Belt part that voted for Trump mostly voted for economic reasons
 
Old 04-10-2017, 01:58 PM
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Well in "safe seats" or "safe states" it certainly is. If discounting the NYC urban area Trump won the rest of the vote 49-48 or something like that when I counted it. These people outside the main city simply don't matter under that system. Also, discounting one single county in Illinois, it'd become a red state in spite of them being around 20 points adrift statewide. But for entertainment value FPTP provides fun to watch
Safe states make big cities not matter as much. If a seat is always going to vote one way, it'll get less attention. A place like New York State gets less attention because its vote is more or less predetermined. Is the 49-48 nationwide or statewide?
 
Old 04-10-2017, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Safe states make big cities not matter as much. If a seat is always going to vote one way, it'll get less attention. A place like New York State gets less attention because its vote is more or less predetermined. Is the 49-48 nationwide or statewide?
Oh it was statewide, discounting NYC and Long Island. So the Upstate would be a similar rustbelt-ish swing state, in effect - a narrow win for Obama in 2012 and a narrow win for Trump in 2016.

There are plenty of heavily divided states between urban and rural within safe Republican states too, for example St. Louis in Missouri.

What strikes me though is Trump winning the county where Phoenix is in... that does stand out to have one of the largest cities in the country in a relatively evenly divided state go Republican.

It's also remarkable how even San Diego has been historically (not this time though).
 
Old 04-10-2017, 02:06 PM
 
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2016 election results by county.

 
Old 04-10-2017, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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2016 election results by county.
This page is better because it's got all the stats!

This is Illinois:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/s...=0&fips=17&f=0

Notice that the party colours have been flipped though Just seems so wrong in an American context, although not in a European one!
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