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View Poll Results: Which is more subtropical?
NYC 7 29.17%
Jōetsu 17 70.83%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-14-2017, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Anywhere that gets snow, ice and frost is NOT subtropical. The Scilly Isles are more sub-tropical than New York and they're not even really subtropical.
Joetsu gets heaps of wet snow only, with temps most often above freezing even in the midst of winter though. It's certainly the most extreme subtropical climate in any sense though.
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:43 AM
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Location: Ontario
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Joetsu

Warmer average winter temps.

Warmer record lows.

Higher gardening zone....I'm guessing zone 8b ...maybe even zone 9a
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:47 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Joetsu gets heaps of wet snow only, with temps most often above freezing even in the midst of winter though. It's certainly the most extreme subtropical climate in any sense though.
Does it grow subtropical plants? Tropical obviously means it is situated between the Tropics, sub-tropical places are places that can grow tropical plants that are not actually situated between the Tropics, Florida is sub-tropical New York most definitely not.
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Old 01-14-2017, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Foreignorland 58 N, 17 E.
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Does it grow subtropical plants? Tropical obviously means it is situated between the Tropics, sub-tropical places are places that can grow tropical plants that are not actually situated between the Tropics, Florida is sub-tropical New York most definitely not.
Well, I don't know

May I suggest you take a tour on street view and find out?
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Old 01-14-2017, 06:03 AM
 
Location: João Pessoa,Brazil(The easternmost point of Americas)
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Lake effect snow, with cold air produced by the Siberian low traveling across the relatively warm Sea of Japan, and combined with an orographic effect.
Ocean effect snow and Siberian High you mean right? also the geography of Japan is perfect for heavy snow.
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Old 01-14-2017, 06:27 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Well, I don't know

May I suggest you take a tour on street view and find out?
I just checked and there's no subtropical foliage in Joetsu. I did however notice that covered carports were very common for residential homes. Also many roads have ditches on the side.
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Washington
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https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1764...2!8i6656?hl=en

I think I may have found a subtropical specimen in Joetsu. It looks like it may survive for all seasons too, since old street views appear to be showing the same plant.
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Old 01-14-2017, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, UK
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I vote for Joetsu for milder winters...

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https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1764...2!8i6656?hl=en

I think I may have found a subtropical specimen in Joetsu. It looks like it may survive for all seasons too, since old street views appear to be showing the same plant.
Yes that's a Cycas revoluta & quite an old one too, likely been there some time (unless they bought a very mature specimen).
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Old 01-14-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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Joetsu for the higher averages and the significantly higher record lows, like it's not even close
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Old 01-14-2017, 09:37 AM
 
Location: 64'N Umeå, Sweden - The least bad Dfc
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Joetsu for the higher averages and the significantly higher record lows, like it's not even close
Yeah, but did you notice the permanent snow cover and 6m snowfall?
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