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If you are going to lump the whole of the Eastern US you have to remember that I'm at 39.9N latitude which is the latitude of Greece. A very large chunk of the eastern US is lower in latitude than Eastern Europe. So you need to say the northern half of the eastern US vs Eastern Europe to even compare equal latitude. If latitude is ignored then compare Charleston, SC to Warsaw, Poland lol. I know which one I would choose.
There's no reason to restrict for latitude. Eastern US goes from 47°N to 24°N and this range in latitude subsequently gives rise to its various climates. Same thing for Eastern Europe: 70°N to 34°N or some such. This may naturally cause some warm weather aficionados to gravitate to the US; similarly, cold weather lovers may gravitate to Europe. That's just a fact of life.
That said I would like to know the longitude meridians we're using as the dividing lines. East of 100° west for USA? East of 15° east for Europe?
And where's the eastern border of Eastern Europe? Ural Mountains?
still, for the same latitude climates are warmer in Europe than in the US in several cases. I actually chose Europe because places like Yarmouth get ridiculously cold compared to the European equivalent.
I think choosing the US east coast just for Key West is a bit dumb because it hardly is representative of the whole US East Coast, but maybe I got this thread wrong and cherrypicking is the way to do it...
still, for the same latitude climates are warmer in Europe than in the US in several cases. I actually chose Europe because places like Yarmouth get ridiculously cold compared to the European equivalent.
I think choosing the US east coast just for Key West is a bit dumb because it hardly is representative of the whole US East Coast, but maybe I got this thread wrong and cherrypicking is the way to do it...
Yarmouth is not in the USA*.
I agree, choosing the US only because of Key West is rather restrictive. I also agree that some of the mid-latitude locations in Europe are better than their US equivalents. However, the point of these climate battles is to compare the entirety of their respective climates. These climates are determined by all of their geography (including latitude) so to restrict it only to latitudes that overlap is artificial.
*Actually there is a Yarmouth in Maine but it's not the place Warszawa linked to; they specifically said Nova Scotia.
I get that, but including Florida means also including the cold upstate NY territories
You guys are lucky the maritimes and their cold humid winter / chilly summer mix are not in the US, but if there's a country that's almost the US it is Canada, so in all fairness it could be included in the poll
Yeah, it is true Yarmouth is canadian !
I get that, but including Florida means also including the cold upstate NY territories
Absolutely, and in fact some people may choose the Eastern US because of that variety. Similarly, Eastern Europe gets to include everything from Athens to Murmansk.
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You guys are lucky the maritimes and their cold humid winter / chilly summer mix are not in the US, but if there's a country that's almost the US it is Canada, so in all fairness it could be included in the poll
The Maritimes have some of the world's worst weather--not sure why that's a good thing. But if it really floats your boat then Maine's not that much different and you can certainly include that in the Eastern US.
what about americans ignoring that the U.S. extends much further south ?
We don't ignore it, we acknowledge it. A large part of the Eastern US is much further south than Eastern Europe. If you are going to compare them, are you only going to compare latitude to latitude? If that is the case then don't say "Eastern US", say northern half of the US. Otherwise, it makes it seems as if even the lousy climates of Eastern Europe are better than the eastern half of the US which is ludicrous. Where in Eastern Europe do you have climates like south Texas or Florida or the Gulf Coast or the Southeast Atlantic Coast. Only Greece and and a tiny sliver of Croatia. So it makes it seem as if the the whole of the Eastern US is a cold hole and ignores all the subtropical climates there.
The other thing is I need to see climate data from reliable national meteo agencies and not wiki when it comes to Bulgaria and other places there. Just looking at Plovdiv, the wiki description says the Jan mean is 31F, while the table shows it to be 33.6F.
Just compare the wiki table for Plovdiv with this write up below:
Winter is normally cold and snow is common. The average number of days with snow cover in Plovdiv is 33. The average depth of snow cover is 2 to 4 cm (1 to 2 in) and the maximum is normally 6 to 13 cm (2 to 5 in), but in some winters it can reach 70 cm (28 in) or more. Average January temperature is −0.4 °C (31 °F).
They have double the number of days with snow cover than we do, and a colder Jan mean, but the table shows otherwise.
The reference for the table comes from a Danish meteo book and "climatebase". What are those? Where is the data from their national meteo agency in accordance with WMO standards?
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