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View Poll Results: What's the pole of cold of the Northern Hemisphere?
Verkhoyansk/Oymyakon (lowest record low temperature) 10 38.46%
Eismitte (lowest mean) 16 61.54%
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-07-2017, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Esquel, Argentina
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Wikipedia defines the poles of cold as the places in each hemisphere where the coldest temperature has been recorded. So, Vostok Station for the Southern Hemisphere and either Verkhoyansk or Oymyakon for the Northern hemisphere.

Am I the only one who thinks that the poles of cold should be defined not by the lowest recorded temperature but by the lowest mean temperature?

If we use the mean, the pole of cold for the Southern hemisphere is still Vostok; but for the Northern hemisphere the pole of cold would be Eismitte.

Both Verkhoyansk and Oymyakon aren't even Tundra climates and their warmest months are warmer than the warmest month here in Esquel.

Pole of cold should mean the coldest place in each hemisphere, and when you compare two climates, you use the mean to say which is colder. Climates have two record temperatures. Using only one of those two values to compare climates makes little sense.
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:00 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Eismitte because it's simply below freezing all year round. Verkhoyansk has relatively warm summers and it's just extremely continental. So it loses here.
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Old 11-08-2017, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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I voted Eismitte because it's in the center of the largest ice field in the northern hemisphere. However that being said I don't think the pole of cold is stationary, and so during the winter the pole of cold shifts to Yakutia, but in the summer it shifts over to Greenland.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
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None of those. Actually is Summit Camp
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Old 11-08-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Esquel, Argentina
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None of those. Actually is Summit Camp
Interesting, I didn't know there was another station close to Eismitte.

Regardless, you agree we should use the mean temperature to define the poles of cold, right?
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Old 11-08-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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The thing about Eismitte is it only has one year of records, so I'm not sure we should use it to define the pole of cold.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:46 PM
 
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The thing about Eismitte is it only has one year of records, so I'm not sure we should use it to define the pole of cold.
That explains why November is colder than December and January! I was puzzled by that.
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Eismitte is only a little bit warmer (~5C) than the other two in winter, but has a considerably lower annual mean (~15C less), so I voted for it. It'd be a tougher call comparing the Russian places to something like Alert, which has only a slightly lower annual mean but significantly "warmer" winters.

Something somewhat unrelated that I've been wondering - Oymyakon and Verkhoyansk are quite a far apart from each other and are each relatively close to some other villages. Why are those other villages never mentioned? Are they really all that much warmer? If so, why are those two, a large distance apart, so special?
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Eismitte is only a little bit warmer (~5C) than the other two in winter, but has a considerably lower annual mean (~15C less), so I voted for it. It'd be a tougher call comparing the Russian places to something like Alert, which has only a slightly lower annual mean but significantly "warmer" winters.

Something somewhat unrelated that I've been wondering - Oymyakon and Verkhoyansk are quite a far apart from each other and are each relatively close to some other villages. Why are those other villages never mentioned? Are they really all that much warmer? If so, why are those two, a large distance apart, so special?
well here are all the cities/villages that I could find in Yakutia with climate data.

Ust-Olenyok: -15.7C
Taymylyr: -15.5C
Oymyakon: -15.5C
Ust-Nera: -15.37C
Saskylakh: -14.6C
Deputatsky: -14.6C
Verkhoyansk: -14.5C
Batagay-Alyta: -14.1C
Khonuu: -13.7C
Chokurdakh: -13.4C
Tiksi: -12.8C
Udachny: -12.75C
Srednekolymsk: -12.6C
Chersky: -11.04C
Zyryanka: -10.81C
Nyurba: -9.0C
Yakutsk: -8.8C
Vilyuysk: -8.22C
Neryungri: -6.87C
Olyokminsk: -5.73C
Lensk: -5.67C
Aldan: -5.5C

Oymyakon and Verkhoyansk by far have the coldest record lows, both getting -67C the rest got only down in the -50C
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Old 11-13-2017, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Hungary
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well here are all the cities/villages that I could find in Yakutia with climate data.
You missed an important one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delyankir#Climate
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