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There is much credible evidence that climate change is real, not some made-up BS. Of course, industries that depend on fossil fuels and oil to make their money are going to try to convince voters that climate change is nonsense and scientists and NASA are attempting to hoodwink voters.
Those of us who have been around the block a few times don't need anyone to tell us that theclimate has changed, and not for the better. Droughts, increased summer temps, constant increased extreme weather events (no, climate change is not causing hurricanes, blizzards, etc., but it is making them stronger), dying coral reefs all over the globe, due to warming oceans and increased ocean acidity, and on and on. Those are all facts and climate change is a bipartisan issue because we all live on this planet and it behooves us to make sure it stays livable.
You might want to go around the block one more time and double check.
Drought is NOT getting worse, 1934 was by far the worst in the past 100 years, and it doesn't come close to droughts in 1492, 1580, and 1703, which lasted 16 years.
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According to the authors, the west's climate usually fluctuates far more than it did in the 1900s. The five previous centuries each saw more years of extremely dry and extremely wet climate conditions.
Al Gore will thoughtfully chime in and remind everyone that no matter what the weather, it's caused by climate change and the only solution is to buy Al Gore brand carbon credits.
Love also how literally everything causes or is caused by global warming. It's windy. GLOBAL WARMING. A bird crashes into something and dies. GLOBAL WARMING. I had a bad day at work. GLOBAL WARMING. I take a pee. GLOBAL WARMING. Back in 9th grade I used to say this really hot girl a grade ahead of me was the cause of global warming (get it? ); maybe they'll be onto something along those lines sometime soon.
Love also how literally everything causes or is caused by global warming. It's windy. GLOBAL WARMING. A bird crashes into something and dies. GLOBAL WARMING. I had a bad day at work. GLOBAL WARMING. I take a pee. GLOBAL WARMING. Back in 9th grade I used to say this really hot girl a grade ahead of me was the cause of global warming (get it? ); maybe they'll be onto something along those lines sometime soon.
You might want to go around the block one more time and double check.
Drought is NOT getting worse, 1934 was by far the worst in the past 100 years, and it doesn't come close to droughts in 1492, 1580, and 1703, which lasted 16 years.
Al Gore will thoughtfully chime in and remind everyone that no matter what the weather, it's caused by climate change and the only solution is to buy Al Gore brand carbon credits.
If climate change is nonsense, what has caused the earth's surface temps to rise, coinciding with the industrial age and increased carbon dioxide? What is causing increased ocean temps that are killing coral reefs world wide (https://www.theguardian.com/environm...arming-rapidly)? What is causing glaciers to melt? What is causing sea level rise?
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It may be interesting to reflect now on the age of the earth which is generally estimated to be slightly over 4.5 Billion years. Understanding that temperature data has been collected for only slightly over 100 years it should be extremely difficult for anyone to put much credence in any hard data collected as representative of climate differences in the long term. It must also be acknowledged that over that period measurement capabilities have not been consistent nor have geographic points of data collection. Cherry tree blooming data and tree ring measurements, while possibly anecdotally interesting, do not rise to the level of usefulness for determining long term temperature change on a global scale.
Having read this thread and examined the scant data presented it appears the most detailed temperature records over the longest time period are in post number seven and cover a time period of 115 years. Again, there is no explanation of location of any of the monitoring sites, whether they all have been consistently measured or the actual method of temperature measurement. That 115 year period as a fraction of Earth's 4.5 billion year lifespan would be the equivalent of about 47 seconds in the life of a human on Earth today (using 75 years as a human lifespan). [Please feel free to check my calculations.]
On a day to day basis that 47 seconds is generally insignificant unless of course if one would walk into the path of a speeding bus. Would anyone believe that a detailed record of what is happening in their body for 47 seconds would give an accurate picture of their lifelong health? That could be the equivalent of a huge asteroid colliding with the earth or a number of large volcanoes erupting concurrently but otherwise such a limited data array of questionable accuracy and consistency would be near useless.
^^All the more alarming that humans have managed to induce so many measurable negative changes during our relatively short industrial age. Forests that would absorb co2 are being cut down all over the planet. Oceans can only absorb so much, which means more and more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere = bad consequences for our planet and all of its inhabitants, except maybe cockroaches.
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So one can ignore all the graphs and charts and measurements that record the rise of the ocean temperatures and the new record highs and lows being set?
Sad.
Yes, when the alleged composite measurements don't match the experience of actual people. I consider battle accounts of the Revolutionary and Civil War to be a better indicator of conditions than some composite thrown together.
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Every other country in the entire world is curbing emissions, many switching away from fossil fuels for utilities, setting high standards for gasoline-powered vehicles and moving toward electric cars to help de-accelerate climate change. Every leader in every other country is crazy, too?
Okay. Enjoy your little bubble of skepticism while you can.
They're talking a good game in most, not all, cases.
Yes, when the alleged composite measurements don't match the experience of actual people. I consider battle accounts of the Revolutionary and Civil War to be a better indicator of conditions than some composite thrown together.
You always mention stuff like that, but would you be able to tell a two degree rise in average temperatures just from historical reports?
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); maybe they'll be onto something along those lines sometime soon. 
