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Old 05-11-2018, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Edinburgh of the Seven Seas.
Not sure what your point is, but the climate there has average minimums 9C warmer than my climate during winter -I would think that it's going to be reflected in the environment.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Not sure what your point is, but the climate there has average minimums 9C warmer than my climate during winter -I would think that it's going to be reflected in the environment.
Not so sure of that myself.

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Old 05-11-2018, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Not so sure of that myself.
That just looks like land that has been deforested and heavily grazed -easy to find that look around here.

I would say that grass looks like classic winter growth, being kept short by grazing - it's certainly doesn't resemble the somewhere like the Shetland Islands, if that's what you're implying. It actually evokes a sense of warmth to me, rather than a sense of cold/chilly.
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:23 PM
 
Location: South Padre Island, TX
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That's it in a nutshell - how cold a place gets is more fundamental in shaping an environment, than how hot it gets.
Nope, both heat and cold are fundamental in shaping landscapes. Unless you're telling me that the greater evapotranspiration in the hotter place wouldn't have an effect on vegetation?
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Old 05-11-2018, 02:32 PM
 
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Nope, both heat and cold are fundamental in shaping landscapes. Unless you're telling me that the greater evapotranspiration in the hotter place wouldn't have an effect on vegetation?
The greater evaporation is generally aligned with lower rainfall.

Some where like NYC looks lusher than my area in summer, despite being around 8C warmer than summer here -that's because my area has a soil moisture deficit during summer.
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Old 05-12-2018, 09:26 PM
 
Location: South Padre Island, TX
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The greater evaporation is generally aligned with lower rainfall.

Some where like NYC looks lusher than my area in summer, despite being around 8C warmer than summer here -that's because my area has a soil moisture deficit during summer.
NYC's vegetation is temperate deciduous forest, which owe their existence to both heat and cold. It indicates that the area has warm enough summers to produce tropical-style leaf mechanisms (broad-leaves), but also cold enough winters that getting rid of the leaves is necessary.

Which is why you head poleward from NYC, only to encounter a whole forest of coniferous evergreens (taiga): long cold, dry periods, short summers ensure that water-conservation is the main goal of adaptation there.
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Old 05-13-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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NYC's vegetation is temperate deciduous forest, which owe their existence to both heat and cold. It indicates that the area has warm enough summers to produce tropical-style leaf mechanisms (broad-leaves), but also cold enough winters that getting rid of the leaves is necessary.

Which is why you head poleward from NYC, only to encounter a whole forest of coniferous evergreens (taiga): long cold, dry periods, short summers ensure that water-conservation is the main goal of adaptation there.
This is at the core of the discussion as I see it -NYC is clearly a subtropical climate by genetics and classification, but temperate by biome.

Is it more appropriate to call NYC subtropical because of it's climate, or temperate because of it's biome?
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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That just looks like land that has been deforested and heavily grazed -easy to find that look around here.

I would say that grass looks like classic winter growth, being kept short by grazing - it's certainly doesn't resemble the somewhere like the Shetland Islands, if that's what you're implying. It actually evokes a sense of warmth to me, rather than a sense of cold/chilly.
I find it telling that you describe it as "classic winter growth". Certainly the appearance is congruent with the absence of warmth in the environment. Clearly not subtropical.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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I find it telling that you describe it as "classic winter growth". Certainly the appearance is congruent with the absence of warmth in the environment. Clearly not subtropical.
Perhaps you aren't that familiar with winter grass growth, that has been heavily grazed? There is nothing in that photo that clearly indicates a non subtropical climate.

That grass would probably grow at 2-3 inches a week during winter, as it has 9C warmer minimums of my winter climate, and grass still grows here during winter.
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Old 05-13-2018, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Perhaps you aren't that familiar with winter grass growth, that has been heavily grazed? There is nothing in that photo that clearly indicates a non subtropical climate.

That grass would probably grow at 2-3 inches a week during winter, as it has 9C warmer minimums of my winter climate, and grass still grows here during winter.
Yes, and it would probably do the same during "summer" since the weather is almost the same year round. No summer slow down, no heat stress, no browning, etc.
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