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View Poll Results: Is Milford Sound's climate livable?
Yes 26 89.66%
No 3 10.34%
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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And there are also places such as Tiksi which also manages to have 4,556 as of 2016 in a tundra climate, though the population is falling fast. However there are other subarctic climate cities that have very fast growth rates since 2010.

Khanty-Mansiysk: 98,692 | +23.13%
Surgut: 360,590 | +17.58%
Yakutsk: 307,911 | +14.21%
Kogalym: 64,704 | +11.21%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population
Most subpolar communities are set up due to access to mineral or petroleum extraction, as otherwise they are not cost effective.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:29 PM
 
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Most subpolar communities are set up due to access to mineral or petroleum extraction, as otherwise they are not cost effective.
Well for any city/settlement to exist there needs to be some kind of economic driver, and even if it's extraction of mineral wealth that doesn't make it any less of a city. Yakutsk has a very long history being founded in 1632 just two years after Boston was founded. Now of course Yakutsk didn't take off until the 1800s when gold deposits were found. Yakutsk had 2,800 people in 1856, 10,558 in 1926, 52,882 people in 1939, 107,617 in 1970, 152,368 in 1979, 210,642 in 2002, 255,800 in 2008 and 303,836 in 2016.

and you can truly see the huge growth going on there in all the construction going on in google streetview.
https://www.google.com/maps/@62.0324...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@62.0342...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@62.0331...7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@62.0164...7i13312!8i6656

so surely if a small sized city/ large town can exist in the middle of Yakutia then surely a small fishing town of just 5,000 people could theoretically exist in the Milford sound, maybe something along the lines of Unalaska?
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Old 05-27-2018, 11:01 PM
 
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Yeah there has to be a huge monetary incentive to want to move to Yakutsk and Norilsk. I think I can safely say that nobody moves there for the climate. I wouldn't be surprised if the local wages in these cities are several times higher than the Russian average.
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Old 05-27-2018, 11:35 PM
 
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Yeah, I'd say 5k people could live there.

That being said, 18 C / 64 F highs in summer don't exactly appeal to me.
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:12 AM
 
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I think I can safely say that nobody moves there for the climate.
You don't know that.

If I was a Russian national ...
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Old 05-28-2018, 02:44 AM
 
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You don't know that.

If I was a Russian national ...
Yeah Yakutsk is HEAVEN compared to Pevek.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:07 AM
 
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Yeah Yakutsk is HEAVEN compared to Pevek.
I think Pevek is pretty great too, I'd love to live there.

Yakutsk is undoubtedly better though: colder winters and warmer summers, though mosquitoes unfortunately.
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Old 05-28-2018, 03:17 AM
 
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Northely quadrant airflows. Does that mean that winds tend to come from the south and head north in heavy rain days? It seems to me that that would mean that temperatures in heavy rainfall would be below average.
No, the other way around, is the "from" direction.
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Old 05-28-2018, 06:05 AM
 
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Yeah there has to be a huge monetary incentive to want to move to Yakutsk and Norilsk. I think I can safely say that nobody moves there for the climate. I wouldn't be surprised if the local wages in these cities are several times higher than the Russian average.
Exactly, that's why civilization (not counting Inuit settlements) in Canada only goes up to the Dfb/Dfc border, places like Ft McMurray for example are generally the end of the paved road headed poleward. And Ft McMurray exists because of the Athabaskan Tar Sands (petroleum).

Even here in the states, places like Leadville and Fairplay are mining communities

The final point being if Milford Sound doesn't have a valuable natural resource that can be extracted and sold, then civilization wouldn't be possible
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:49 PM
 
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Say that Milford Sound had enough room for a town of maybe 5000 people. Do you think that the climate would be too much of a turn off for enough people to settle at the tip of Milford Sound?

While Milford Sound has a crazy amount of rain, the temperatures and rain days aren't too bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milford_Sound#Climate
Doesn't look any less inhabitable than many places. These days, very few areas are perfect, and few if any are able to be self sufficient.
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