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Old 01-08-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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One time I drove from Toronto to New Orleans. Each night the place I stopped to rest had a climate similar to where I had been that morning. However by the time I got to New Orleans I was in a completely different climate that bears almost no similarity Toronto.
Yep, the old non-answer.

Is it correct to describe Canberra and Bergen as similar climates?

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Has anyone in Bergen actually tried growing olives? They grow in the milder parts of this area and the climate isn't all that different from here.
Not that I aware of, but olives in Invercargill don't fruit. I see zero chance of that happening in Bergen, even if they did survive the winters.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:25 PM
 
Location: In transition
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Yep, the old non-answer.

Is it correct to describe Canberra and Bergen as similar climates?



Not that I aware of, but olives in Invercargill don't fruit. I see zero chance of that happening in Bergen, even if they did survive the winters.
Well the olives in milder parts of this area did fruit and they even produced olive oil from it.

Saturna Olive Consortium
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Old 01-09-2019, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Well the olives in milder parts of this area did fruit and they even produced olive oil from it.

Saturna Olive Consortium
I suspect there a quite a variety of plants better suited to your area, than Bergen - surviving cold is one part of the equation, thriving in the rest of the year, is the other part
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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Yep, the old non-answer.

Is it correct to describe Canberra and Bergen as similar climates?

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Canberra is not similar to Bergen.

I think Canberra is not correctly categorized by either QIDb602's system nor by Koppen.
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Canberra is not similar to Bergen.

I think Canberra is not correctly categorized by either QIDb602's system nor by Koppen.
I can at least see some logic with Koppen's system, even if it's a bit shaky around the edges.

QIDb602's system is buit around faulty logic - that average temperature and seasonal range make climates "similar".

Putting walls in a spectrum, isn't useful either
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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Has anyone in Bergen actually tried growing olives? They grow in the milder parts of this area and the climate isn't all that different from here.
Yes, there are some garden enthusiasts growing olives in Bergen outdoor all year, probably also in Stavanger. They reportedly flower but don’t ripen fruits.

Bergen sunshine in the wiki table is from a station having serious blocking issues from the Ulriken mountain. A new sunrecorder in Bergen from 2016 with a better placement has recorded much more sunshine, 1,750 hrs this year.
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Old 01-09-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yes, there are some garden enthusiasts growing olives in Bergen outdoor all year, probably also in Stavanger. They reportedly flower but don’t ripen fruits.

Bergen sunshine in the wiki table is from a station having serious blocking issues from the Ulriken mountain. A new sunrecorder in Bergen from 2016 with a better placement has recorded much more sunshine, 1,750 hrs this year.
Olives are pretty hardy, growing in NZ's coldest regions, but they also seldom fruit.

Do you know the rainfall/rain day stats for the airport? 1750 hours is quite decent with that many rain days.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Trondheim, Norway - 63 N
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@Joe90: No, I don’t know those stats for the airport.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC, Canada
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I doubt either Bergen or Motueka have ever had weeks like the upcoming one in Canberra.


Source: Canberra weather - local weather forecast

This type of week illustrates the problem with Koppen and this system in dealing with locations in southern Australia. Such locations are profoundly continental in the summer with alternating periods of hot and mild weather. Day-to-day weather is thus extremely variable. By contrast, winter is relatively stable day-to-day with a near continuous southwest (i.e. oceanic) flow.

I also wonder if the same issue arises in southern Africa and parts of South America too.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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I doubt either Bergen or Motueka have ever had weeks like the upcoming one in Canberra.


Source: Canberra weather - local weather forecast

This type of week illustrates the problem with Koppen and this system in dealing with locations in southern Australia. Such locations are profoundly continental in the summer with alternating periods of hot and mild weather. Day-to-day weather is thus extremely variable. By contrast, winter is relatively stable day-to-day with a near continuous southwest (i.e. oceanic) flow.

I also wonder if the same issue arises in southern Africa and parts of South America too.
Canberra is still broadly temperate oceanic or maybe subtropical highland. Temperate = between subpolar and subtropical while Oceanic = heavily affected by the moderating effects of oceans. Canberra is too cool to be considered subtropical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseburg,_Oregon#Climate has warmer summers than Canberra and is almost as prone to heat waves as Canberra. Roseburg's mean maximum is 103F (39.4C). Yet Roseburg is still Csb/dry-summer oceanic under Koppen's system simply due to mild averages and cool nights.
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