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Yet, the environments are nothing like. Bergen doesn't have subtropical forest and mangroves, with an orange tree in the back yard - I though this system was meant to take care of vegetation irregularities?
Well, Koppen also classifies Motueka and Bergen in the same category, oceanic (Cfb). Trewartha classifies Motueka as borderline subtropical but if you look at the factors that affect Motueka's climate, Motueka is by all means oceanic.
Also, does Motueka have naturally occurring subtropical forest, mangroves, and orange trees?
Well, Koppen also classifies Motueka and Bergen in the same category, oceanic (Cfb). Trewartha classifies Motueka as borderline subtropical but if you look at the factors that affect Motueka's climate, Motueka is by all means oceanic.
Also, does Motueka have naturally occurring subtropical forest, mangroves, and orange trees?
Koppen's logic is correct in Placing Bergen and Motueka together, your's isn't.
Trewartha's concept of subtropical relates to plant growth throughout the year. The 8 months>10C has significance as to what the vegetation will be - grass growth is year round here, not so in Bergen.
Yes Subtropical forest and mangroves occur naturally. Oranges are introduced, just like in most places they grow.
Koppen's logic is correct in Placing Bergen and Motueka together, your's isn't.
Please explain why.
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Trewartha's concept of subtropical relates to plant growth throughout the year. The 8 months>10C has significance as to what the vegetation will be - grass growth is year round here, not so in Bergen.
Yes Subtropical forest and mangroves occur naturally. Oranges are introduced, just like in most places they grow.
However, Motueka is oceanic when looking at the scientific factors that influence Motueka's climate, so this system classifies Motueka as oceanic like Bergen.
However, Motueka is oceanic when looking at the scientific factors that influence Motueka's climate, so this system classifies Motueka as oceanic like Bergen.
So you've made a big deal about separating NYC and Brisbane due to vegetation, but have created a system that also ignores those differences in other places?
I have no problem with them both being Oceanic, but they aren't environmentally similar because of both being oceanic. Oceanic vegetation isn't a thing.
So you've made a big deal about separating NYC and Brisbane due to vegetation, but have created a system that also ignores those differences?
This system is all-purpose. It tries its best to work based on both factors that influence the climate and the vegetation. Also, NYC and Brisbane have such great differences in latitude that I think they deserve to be separated even if they follow the same scientific principles.
This system is all-purpose. It tries its best to work based on both factors that influence the climate and the vegetation. Also, NYC and Brisbane have such great differences in latitude that I think they deserve to be separated even if they follow the same scientific principles.
It's a failure in terms of vegetation, but as long as you don't pretend it can explain vegetation, it might have some use.
Bergen is further in latitude from Motueka, than Brisbane is from NYC - quite a lot further. Does that change how you view Motueka and Bergen?
It's a failure in terms of vegetation, but as long as you don't pretend it can explain vegetation, it might have some use.
Bergen is further in latitude from Motueka, than Brisbane is from NYC - quite a lot further.
Bergen is influenced by the Gulf Stream and it is warmer than pretty much every climate at its latitude. Thus, it deserves to be in the same category as Motueka.
Bergen is influenced by the Gulf Stream and it is warmer than pretty much every climate at its latitude. Thus, it deserves to be in the same category as Motueka.
Yes, but not because of vegetation or latitude difference, which you seem to think are very important. Statistics aren't that similar either - have never experienced a single day here, with the average maximum in Bergen's coldest 5 months, only 4 months colder than Bergen's hottest month, more than double the sunshine, 100 days less rain. Koppen's logic was right, your's isn't.
The logic of your system is breaking down under scrutiny.
Yes, but not because of vegetation or latitude difference, which you seem to think are very important.
The logic of your system is breaking down under scrutiny.
Latitude difference isn't very important by itself. However, it correlates with the mechanisms of a climate, which are more important. The Gulf Stream is a very important part of Bergen's climate and thus makes Bergen oceanic.
Latitude difference isn't very important by itself. However, it correlates with the mechanisms of a climate, which are more important. The Gulf Stream is a very important part of Bergen's climate and thus makes Bergen oceanic.
But this is exactly the same situation that exists between NYC and Brisbane -big latitude and vegetation difference, but the same mechanism. Yet with NYC, you're highlighting the difference, while with Bergen you're downplaying the same differences -this is no consistency here.
The gulf stream is irrelevant -some oceanic climates are affected by warm currents, while others by warm currents.
Koppens system correlates better with mechanism, than your system - your system just seems concerned withlogically separating Brisbane and NYC apart, but ignores the same logic in other examples
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