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Trieste is the only one in my system that barely qualify as humid subtropical (W2sh). However, the italian wiki shows colder figures for Trieste, so i doubt it: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stazio...gici_1971-2000
Anyways, it's the only one out of the list that is close to it.
Trieste is the only one in my system that barely qualify as humid subtropical (W2sh). However, the italian wiki shows colder figures for Trieste, so i doubt it: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stazio...gici_1971-2000
Anyways, it's the only one out of the list that is close to it.
Both are correct. Those are 1971-2000. I've posted averages for the last twenty years.
I don't really like the description "subtropical" as I feel it is too ambiguous and I don't even think Koppen used it to describe any of his categories. Its usage is pretty broad; does it mean climates that are climates that have more continental influence than is generally the case for tropical climates and so have summers that are similar to true tropical climates but have much colder winters? Does it mean climates that are more oceanic than true tropical climates and are cooler all year, but especially in winter? Does it mean highland climates that are just cooler all year round than tropical climates?
To me the only climates that are clearly subtropical are those that are close to being tropical but fall below the average of 18C for just a few months each year, eg Brisbane, Durban, Guwahati etc.
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I don't really like the description "subtropical" as I feel it is too ambiguous and I don't even think Koppen used it to describe any of his categories. Its usage is pretty broad; does it mean climates that are climates that have more continental influence than is generally the case for tropical climates and so have summers that are similar to true tropical climates but have much colder winters? Does it mean climates that are more oceanic than true tropical climates and are cooler all year, but especially in winter? Does it mean highland climates that are just cooler all year round than tropical climates?
To me the only climates that are clearly subtropical are those that are close to being tropical but fall below the average of 18C for just a few months each year, eg Brisbane, Durban, Guwahati etc.
That's too strict a definition. We average 13.5°C in our coldest month, and have palm trees everywhere and year round green grass and you wouldn't consider us subtropical. Again, I think the Washingtonia palms are an indicator species for subtropical climates and they will grow in places where the coldest month averages around 6°C like St George, UT and Kingman, AZ, as well as Wilmington, NC
That's too strict a definition. We average 13.5°C in our coldest month, and have palm trees everywhere and year round green grass and you wouldn't consider us subtropical. Again, I think the Washingtonia palms are an indicator species for subtropical climates and they will grow in places where the coldest month averages around 6°C like St George, UT and Kingman, AZ, as well as Wilmington, NC
Do you think my area is subtropical? -Washingtonia grow here, and plants will sprout from seed.
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I don't really like the description "subtropical" as I feel it is too ambiguous and I don't even think Koppen used it to describe any of his categories. Its usage is pretty broad; does it mean climates that are climates that have more continental influence than is generally the case for tropical climates and so have summers that are similar to true tropical climates but have much colder winters? Does it mean climates that are more oceanic than true tropical climates and are cooler all year, but especially in winter? Does it mean highland climates that are just cooler all year round than tropical climates?
To me the only climates that are clearly subtropical are those that are close to being tropical but fall below the average of 18C for just a few months each year, eg Brisbane, Durban, Guwahati etc.
I think subtropical is best used to describe a spectrum where environments manifest the relative lack of cold, through flora and fauna - the longer the growing season, and the more species that can thrive due to the lack of cold, then the more subtropical a place is.
That's too strict a definition. We average 13.5°C in our coldest month, and have palm trees everywhere and year round green grass and you wouldn't consider us subtropical. Again, I think the Washingtonia palms are an indicator species for subtropical climates and they will grow in places where the coldest month averages around 6°C like St George, UT and Kingman, AZ, as well as Wilmington, NC
Does green grass year round occur naturally in Phoenix, or is it a result of irrigation?
The grass usually goes brown in the PNW during summer.
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Do you think my area is subtropical? -Washingtonia grow here, and plants will sprout from seed.
I think subtropical is best used to describe a spectrum where environments manifest the relative lack of cold, through flora and fauna - the longer the growing season, and the more species that can thrive due to the lack of cold, then the more subtropical a place is.
I consider your area warm oceanic. You have less than 4 months with means 18°C or higher
That's too strict a definition. We average 13.5°C in our coldest month, and have palm trees everywhere and year round green grass and you wouldn't consider us subtropical. Again, I think the Washingtonia palms are an indicator species for subtropical climates and they will grow in places where the coldest month averages around 6°C like St George, UT and Kingman, AZ, as well as Wilmington, NC
Astoria, OR averages about 6C in its coldest month and I have never seen Washingtonia palms there.
I consider your area warm oceanic. You have less than 4 months with means 18°C or higher
So Washingtonias aren't an indicator of subtropical climates then? - have been pulling out self seeded ones lately.
Plenty of green grass here as well -grows all winter.
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