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View Poll Results: Rate the Climate: Subtropical Paradise
A 3 9.68%
B 2 6.45%
C 3 9.68%
D 4 12.90%
E 5 16.13%
F 14 45.16%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-31-2019, 04:23 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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You’re trying to show the absurdity of Koppen’s subtropical classification, but it fails because your approach here is the opposite to Koppen’s. He started from real-world climate genetics — how air masses actually move — and built from that. You’ve just put together nonsense averages that would never actually exist in our world.

To clarify: you seem to have combined a subarctic oceanic winter with a continental summer. Since the former requires being downwind of a large pool of cool/cold water, and the latter requires some fairly extreme summer heating, it just doesn’t work.
What if there was a wind shift sort of like the Indian monsoon?
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Old 02-01-2019, 12:20 PM
 
Location: MD
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To clarify: you seem to have combined a subarctic oceanic winter with a continental summer. Since the former requires being downwind of a large pool of cool/cold water, and the latter requires some fairly extreme summer heating, it just doesn’t work.

Yep, a seasonal lag that massive in winter would have to lead to a seasonal lag just as massive in the summer. Not possible without water nearby.



^Even if the winds shifted it's doubtful they could produce a temp rise that massive in July because the latitude needs to be fairly high (50+ and costal) to get 6 months below freezing, and there's just nowhere viable where air that warm at high latitudes can come from. Also the shift would need to be very brief and very drastic, more so than India. The best that a wind shift could do in this case is to reduce precip to near zero and raise the temps to maybe 70ish (avg July max), given those winter averages.

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Old 02-02-2019, 02:56 AM
 
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@wawa1992 Such a wind shift is impossible.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Brighton/London
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how on earth is that subtropical...
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Pacific Palisades, CA
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F. Way too cold from Nov-April. Summer too short.
Yuck.
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Old 03-20-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Duluth, MN
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B. Pretty good but the snow is a bit excessive. I love snow, but over 500 inches?
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:43 PM
 
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D. Too cold in Spring and Fall.
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Old 03-21-2019, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Sub tropical? Snowfall is over the top. It would have to be at elevation and is apparently cloudy most of the time, which would not allow for those
nice average highs in summer.

Hakuba, Japan is somewhat similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakuba,_Nagano
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Old 03-21-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Certain F. Winters are too cold, way too much snow (I hate snow anyway), and way way too little sun. I'd feel quite depressed here.

It may be a Cfa climate under Koppen (just), but you'd have to be absolutely out of your mind to call this subtropical in causal terms.
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Old 03-22-2019, 11:29 AM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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C. Winters are weird. How you gonna have 5 degrees a change on average daily? And then a reasonable range the rest of the year. Springs are too cold and falls as well. You won't see much in the realm of foliage. Summers are warm but not really that hot. Only saving grace is it does have 4 seasons but I feel you can barely experience them properly. April should have average highs in the 50s at least. Same with October. With averages like that we wouldn't have flowers or leaves til mid or late May and our autumn leaves would be gone around beginning of October.
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