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True, but any warmth outside of our Crummer is usually an isolated one-hit wonder. We are uniformly cold during the day April to October, and as for warm nights, (with warm being defined as an overnight low above 20C), those are exceedingly rare, even in mid summer. In Melbourne, ytou are unlikely to see more than 10 nights above 20C per year. Warm evenings aren't too common either as there'll either be a seabreeze or the afternoon wasnt warm enough to begin with, which is often the case. One must remember, in Melbourne the already cool 26C average high is skewed by the occasional 35C plus days, so that means we get quite a few cold "summer" days (~20-22C).
There are two ways Canadians typically look at weather;
how often is there "warmth" and how often is there "cold".
"Warmth-wise," Melbourne is almost like Toronto.
(probably a slight improvement over Toronto in the non-summer months)
"Cold-wise" there is no comparison; (even "moderate cold")
we can easily have highs of 9 C between late-September and mid-May.
We can also easily have highs near freezing from late October through mid-April.
For my condition, it starts to act up around 12 C and is often quite bad at 6 C.
In Toronto, this means 7 months a year can be bad during daylight hours.
For Melbourne, I'd be surprised if more than 4 months
(intermittant days, adding up to 4 months annually)
were under 10 C during daylight hours.
*However Toronto might be warmer indoors overall,
so Melbourne probably would have less pain for me,
but also more of a sustained "gross" feeling from temps barely too warm to cause me pain.
(few public places are ever under 20 C; usually 21-23 C is "the norm")
Not true. From June to September, days above 17-18C are extremely rare. Most often it stays in the 11-16C range. Coldest days in summer are around 17-18C typically.
"Summer" weather here in Spring or Autumn isn't common, by late March temps are in the 18-23C on average and nights cool well below 15C, with about 11-12C being the norm. Same for November. December is still notoriously iffy but most days are above 20C. These periods may see the odd 30-35C day but that's an exception rather than norm. By April, you can forget about 30C, and 25C days are rapidly thinning out.
I think you'd love to live in the southeastern U.S.
Even at the same latitude as Melbourne... (say southern VA?)
It's easy for them to get a several week spell of mostly 70's F (21-26 C) in winter
as it is for them to get a several week spell of 30's and 40's F. (1-9 C)
I've seen grass a foot tall in early February in central NC.
(when they typically don't expect grass to grow, or grow much)
As an added benefit,
days at 30+ C are not too uncommon from April through October,
and in August if the high only reaches 24 C they put out a "Fall Weather Alert,"
and most people are in their sweaters, long pants and some in light jackets.
*Central NC has a similar climate to southern VA.
** This lovely climate that is more similar to Florida's weather than Toronto's is only 12 hour's drive from here;
so close (literally) to me, yet "so far."
True, but any warmth outside of our Crummer is usually an isolated one-hit wonder. We are uniformly cold during the day April to October, and as for warm nights, (with warm being defined as an overnight low above 20C), those are exceedingly rare, even in mid summer. In Melbourne, ytou are unlikely to see more than 10 nights above 20C per year. Warm evenings aren't too common either as there'll either be a seabreeze or the afternoon wasnt warm enough to begin with, which is often the case. One must remember, in Melbourne the already cool 26C average high is skewed by the occasional 35C plus days, so that means we get quite a few cold "summer" days (~20-22C).
Not true. From June to September, days above 17-18C are extremely rare. Most often it stays in the 11-16C range. Coldest days in summer are around 17-18C typically.
"Summer" weather here in Spring or Autumn isn't common, by late March temps are in the 18-23C on average and nights cool well below 15C, with about 11-12C being the norm. Same for November. December is still notoriously iffy but most days are above 20C. These periods may see the odd 30-35C day but that's an exception rather than norm. By April, you can forget about 30C, and 25C days are rapidly thinning out.
Didn't Melbourne record it's warmest May night (18oC) in 155 years of record a few nights ago? Also Melbourne's having it's driest start in 42 years with just 99mm (160 mm below average) of rain falling since January 1st.
BOM predicts a drier than usual winter this year for most of Victoria so not looking very good for water supply dams which are currently at 26% capacity making this the lowest level in 12 years.
Didn't Melbourne record it's warmest May night (18oC) in 155 years of record a few nights ago? Also Melbourne's having it's driest start in 42 years with just 99mm (160 mm below average) of rain falling since January 1st.
Yes....but it's just that.....hasn't occured at all in recorded history....and hence the chances of it happening again are extremely small. Also, having dry starts doesn't necessarly translate into warm and sunshine.....usually here it's just a lead sky. This May (just like the last one) is a shining example of cold and cloudy conditions typical of Melbourne.
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BOM predicts a drier than usual winter this year for most of Victoria so not looking very good for water supply dams which are currently at 26% capacity making this the lowest level in 12 years.
I think you'd love to live in the southeastern U.S.
Even at the same latitude as Melbourne... (say southern VA?)
It's easy for them to get a several week spell of mostly 70's F (21-26 C) in winter
as it is for them to get a several week spell of 30's and 40's F. (1-9 C)
I've seen grass a foot tall in early February in central NC.
(when they typically don't expect grass to grow, or grow much)
As an added benefit,
days at 30+ C are not too uncommon from April through October,
and in August if the high only reaches 24 C they put out a "Fall Weather Alert,"
and most people are in their sweaters, long pants and some in light jackets.
*Central NC has a similar climate to southern VA.
** This lovely climate that is more similar to Florida's weather than Toronto's is only 12 hour's drive from here;
so close (literally) to me, yet "so far."
From the averages I've seen, virtually all of the U.S at 37-38 degree latitude is signifcantly hotter than Melbourne in summer. The only exception is San Francisco. That 24C is only 2C colder than the average for our WARMEST summer month - and that is skewed by the occasional 35C+ days - meaning that days cooler than 26C must more numerous to offset the massive 10C+ deviation.
From the averages I've seen, virtually all of the U.S at 37-38 degree latitude is signifcantly hotter than Melbourne in summer.
That 24C is only 2C colder than the average for our WARMEST summer month - and that is skewed by the occasional 35C+ days - meaning that days cooler than 26C must more numerous to offset the massive 10C+ deviation.
As far as non-mountain areas in the East, all areas south of the 40th have much higher summer temps.
Even extreme southwestern Ontario at 41.5 degrees North, with a July average of about 27/18 C or 28/17 C.
But my point wasn't just about the summers,
but the rest of the year as well.
However since you got to talking about summers,
in pretty much all non-mountain areas of the Southeastern U.S. (even Kentucky)
you might only have a 5% chance of seeing any summer highs as cool or cooler than 24 C.
*I believe the Southeast's summers are so consistanly warm-to-hot (probably)
because the only time they get strong winds in summer is from a tropical storm.
Given that skewing effect,
Melbourne's summers might actually be cooler than Toronto's most days, ()
as here our normal highs seem to range between about 23-29 C,
and in a normal summer
only 10% of the days above that
and another 10% of our summer days are below that.
People think it rains a lot but it really just drizzles sometimes and the rain total isn't that high. Either that or we get a band of frontal rain that drops a lot of rain at once or showers.
Mostly though it is the clouds. It is very gloomy any time of the year. Some times August can have as little as 100 hours of sun.
Even high pressure systems trap clouds from moisture in the surrounding seas and give us a persistant layer of anti-cyclonic gloom even when the pressure is high.
That is exactly what we have right now. No sun at all even with 1030mb pressure. Very dark outside at 14:00 local time. Some cars have headlights on. England is obviously the cloudiest major westen country in the world.
For me, it is Tucson and Phoenix, Arizona. We get 85% sunshine. (We get a lot of overcast, and rain during the summer but you can still see the sky in some areas that is penetrating through clouds) We rarely get true cloudy days. I don't think its been truly foggy/misty/cloudy since...December 2007.
You must live closer to Tucson or southeastern Arizona because Phoenix hardly ever receives cloudy/rainy days in the summer. The summer monsoon is much more active in the eastern & southeastern sections of Arizona, and those areas often receive three times the amount of rainfall that Phoenix receives in the summer.
So here is the typical weather pattern for Phoenix:
* Winter ... occasional rain from Pacific storm systems, high temps in the 60s & 70s, low temps in the 30s, 40s, and 50s
* Spring ... sunny, breezy, relatively dry, high temps ranging from the 70s through 90s, lows in the 50s & 60s
* Summer ... hot & dry in June, but hot & somewhat more humid in July & August with occasional evening thunderstorms, high temps are well into the 100s, lows range from the 70s to the 90s
* Fall ... same as spring, except usually a little hotter in September and early October
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This May (just like the last one) is a shining example of cold and cloudy conditions typical of Melbourne.
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