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The empirical evidence and on the ground evidence supports the fact that the global average temperatures are increasing. Sea ice will be completely gone off the Arctic Ocean by 2025 according to some and that would allow for trans-continental shipping. The fact that CO2 and temperatures are now both rising in tandem confounds the AGW skeptics. In prior ice core samples and radiocarbon dating, temperatures first rose and then CO2 increases followed. Now, GHGs are increasing at such a fast rate that global temperatures will continue to increase even if we get a globalized climate pact agreement to curb emissions "growth rates." China has stated that it will curb some of its "excessive" growth rates of GHGs, but they will still increase as they further industrialize.
This global warming/climate change bullcrap is nothing but a communist, money making brainwashing propaganda for the goverment.
Conservation is still a core conservative principle. Most neoconservatives seem to have forgotten that fact. I do agree that their exists much hypocrisy on both sides, but becoming energy efficient and developing green collar jobs saves both consumers and businesses money as well as deferring negative environmental externalities that the taxpaying public would have to deal with.
Great post, Granite, thank you. As I said, the things I saw and listened to when I was in Greenland did make sense to me at the time. I didn't think the people speaking had personal agendas, one was a fisherman his ancestors lived off the land. He came from a very small, isolated village to talk to us.
I try to keep an open mind about it, listen to all sides rather than just saying it isn't true because some people say so. It is a hot topic of conversation, not just here. I've heard some heated discussions on many of my trips going back more than a few years, traveling outside of the U.S. can be very enlightening.
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We are told the danger of global warming for Minnesota farmers is that crop zones will move farther and farther north due to longer.hotter, summers.
However, compared to the early 1980's, todays corn farmers are forced to plant shorter growing season corn.
We haven't been getting the growing degrees necessary for that corn of the 1980's to mature and dry down.
When farmers in my area go back to planting the same length maturity corn as they were able to 30 years ago, I might believe a little.
As I stated, nearly all the high temp records for Minnesota were set in the 1930's.
I have noticed a trend toward milder summers and milder winters across the northern tier with more extreme precipitation events. The average winter temperatures have been rising over our long-range of official record keeping. Volatility and unpredictability of weather patterns will be the norm as zone creep continues and hardiness zones change IMO.
It sounds like you are questioning the fact that climate is warming at all, not just the theory that it is mainly human caused. Is that correct?
THe climate has always ben changing, it's a dynamic thing. But the goverments have called it GLOBAL WARMING merely to fear monger people into thinking their beachside pads will be swept away in a few years, that we'll burn to death, etc etc, and use this brainwashing communist technique to create new laws/policies/crap that will in effect simply collect money for the government.
You have them spruiking on about "ZOMG teh tempszzz iz gonna rise 2 degrees in 50 years time OMGZ we're all gonna die" when you regulalry have temps 2C or more above/below the long term average for a given location in any given month. This is ofcourse a favourite tool for the global warming fear mongerers/communists but ofcourse what is not mentioned in their campaign of terror and fleecing is the fact that climate is a dynamic entitiy, it's not gonna conform to a fixed number given for a random number of years just coz someone says "this is the average, this is what it should be".
I think we need to distance ourselves from global warming proponents because so many are only in it for money and power( Gore). Whatever happened to REAL environmental issues like clean water, clean air, etc?
If it takes a witch hunt to drive the global warming gang out of scientific circles, I say do it. But replace them with real scientists who can't have their opinions be bought and won't sell themselves off to the highest bidder.
I think we need to distance ourselves from global warming proponents because so many are only in it for money and power( Gore). Whatever happened to REAL environmental issues like clean water, clean air, etc?
If it takes a witch hunt to drive the global warming gang out of scientific circles, I say do it. But replace them with real scientists who can't have their opinions be bought and won't sell themselves off to the highest bidder.
The Nature Conservancy is a good organization. They are pretty balanced and look at the real scientific concerns that impact us all.
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